Women must resist arrest by any male police officer and demand the presence of a policewoman

[Turquoise11]

I've never posted on mumsnet before but I'm compelled to after reading reports of the kidnap, rape and murder of Sarah Everard.

Any woman who finds herself in a situation where she faces arrest by a male police officer must resist and obstruct that arrest at all costs. She must not face charges for doing either, since it is potentially dangerous for a woman to be taken away by a male police officer. We can no longer trust the police.

Rather, a woman must be able to demand that a policewoman be present before any arrest takes place. We can no longer assume that there is any rigour in the recruitment process involving male police officers.

Do you think I am being fair? After what happened to Sarah Everard, I think that resisting arrest and insisting a woman be present is essential to women's safety. See below for some recent cases involving the police.

Detective Inspector Neil Corbel was charged with 19 counts of voyeurism in the Greater London, Manchester and Brighton areas.

Wayne Couzens.

Deniz Jaffer and Jamie Lewis taking unofficial pictures of Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman after they were stabbed to death.

I’m sure there are more incidents where male police officers hold women in contempt and would harm them if they could.

@Northernlurker

I have told my daughters not to accept arrest by a sole officer. I will not do so myself. Frankly I don't ever expect any of us to do anything to merit arrest and that's the point. Neither did Sarah. After this case I would hope any lone male policeman would detain at the scene and request officers attend before trying to move a lone female. They must know how terrifying this is. So we make a fuss, we make a noise, we refuse to move, we attract attention and we support other lone women we see in this position. Because if the police are on the level then it's no issue to get somebody else, a marked car etc. What's the worse that can happen? Resisting arrest in these circumstances or what happened to Sarah. Women need to be heard, be loud,make your presence felt. That's the way to safety in an unsafe world.

What’s the worst that can happen? The police can kill you that’s what can happen. This thread is full of white privileged middle class attitude that the police wouldn’t dare to harm a woman throwing a fit.

I’m not advising my daughters to be so reckless. What might work for your average middle class white woman, would not work for them.

Perhaps the police and society in general need to be a bit more heavy handed with these scumbags.

I think a grown man who is more than capable of safely restraining a 15 year old girl but choses to boot her in stomach instead is the scumbag 🤷

[quote Pumperthepumper]@AwaAnBileYerHeid so how do we know he wouldn’t kick another child in the stomach?[/quote]
We don't know. However I presume that he wouldn't kick another person who was assaulting his colleague if they weren't in fact, assaulting his colleague.

And I would not get in the car with a lone male police officer , as that in current circumstances would not make me feel safe

We don't know. However I presume that he wouldn't kick another person who was assaulting his colleague if they weren't in fact, assaulting his colleague.

@AwaAnBileYerHeid so if we don’t know, what happens if he kills someone by kicking them in the stomach?

[quote AwaAnBileYerHeid]@Pumperthepumper no, she got kicked because she was assaulting an officer. If she had been just standing and not on top of an officer assaulting him then the other officer would have passed her by and went straight to assist his colleague, bypassing her completely.[/quote]
No. The consequence to assaulting an officer could have been a number of things - arrest. Restraint.

The consequence to him kicking her in the stomach was: she got kicked in the stomach. That was his choice, not hers.

Ah, good advice on r4 right now from someone- do not get into unmarked car, insist they call marked backup. If you feel unsafe call 999 and talk through what makes you feel unsafe.

I don't disagree with the principle, but personally I will going forward only allow myself to be apprehended either if there are two officers (don't mind which sex) or they're happy to call the control room in my presence.
And I would not go anywhere with one officer on their own, regardless of sex.

What a ridiculous idea.
Maybe all women now need to stay at home just incase they come across the 0.00001% of men who harm them? Maybe they shouldn't even stay at home incase their husband is one of these 0.00001% of men.
Should we disown teenage boys as soon as they turn 16?18? just incase they turn out to be one of the 0.00001% of men?

@ABCDEF1234

What a ridiculous idea. Maybe all women now need to stay at home just incase they come across the 0.00001% of men who harm them? Maybe they shouldn't even stay at home incase their husband is one of these 0.00001% of men. Should we disown teenage boys as soon as they turn 16?18? just incase they turn out to be one of the 0.00001% of men?

Where are you getting these numbers from? What are those men doing?

Bearing in mind, if Wayne cousins identifies as a woman, he'll no doubt be transferred to a womens prison.

That is how shit the reality is for women.

Imagine a world where men took responsibility for male violence.

Nah, you're right - ridiculous idea.

Fair? Yes

Realistic? No

No policeman will accept you kicking off because you want a female police officer

@ABCDEF1234

What a ridiculous idea. Maybe all women now need to stay at home just incase they come across the 0.00001% of men who harm them? Maybe they shouldn't even stay at home incase their husband is one of these 0.00001% of men. Should we disown teenage boys as soon as they turn 16?18? just incase they turn out to be one of the 0.00001% of men?

Is that 1 in 10 million? So, in a population of (say) 65million people, knocking off 10 million for children and young people etc., leaving 56 million, with 28 million adult males…Are you claiming there are

@Soubriquet

Fair? Yes

Realistic? No

No policeman will accept you kicking off because you want a female police officer

I don't care. I'd rather be alive and deal with any consequences than be dragged off to be killed.

@HermioneWeasley

The police are not under funded. They have the resources to dance at every pride parade and pet people dressed in puppy costumes, they have the resources to ask people on social media to get in touch if they’ve been offended by anything as it might be a hate crime, they have the resources to send 2 officer to a different county on an overnight stay to interview a mum about her views, they have the resources to turn up at workplaces to “check your thinking”.

They just don’t care about women

Quite

I personally know 6 police officers quite well. Two are women.

All are calm, good at their jobs and absolutely trustworthy. They've been doing the job for a long time. I think they are representative of the vast majority of police officers.

They are far more likely to be attacked themselves and I know for certain that 4 of them have been more than once. Only a month or two ago, one of the women officers turned up at my house with two black eyes, having had some drunken fool punch her in the face.

Their attackers were all violent men, of course. That's a separate issue that really needs addressing.
If we say "Women can resist arrest!", criminals will take advantage.

Improve the police force, weed out the bad ones, change the culture - all good.
But what happened to "No sacred castes"?

Whether you think the suggestions in this thread are good ideas or not/workable or not - I wonder how many men are coming up with solutions today? I wonder how many men are pondering male violence and women’s safety during their coffee break. We should compare that figure against how many women are actually putting across ideas about how to solve male violence against women and girls.

We should not be talking about NAMALT, clearly many are and we are right to be concerned.

@Floisme

You know what, this morning I really don't care if it's workable or not.

I am sick to fucking death of women being expected to put themselves at risk because the alternatives 'aren't workable'.

This.

@Tanith

I personally know 6 police officers quite well. Two are women.

All are calm, good at their jobs and absolutely trustworthy. They've been doing the job for a long time. I think they are representative of the vast majority of police officers.

They are far more likely to be attacked themselves and I know for certain that 4 of them have been more than once. Only a month or two ago, one of the women officers turned up at my house with two black eyes, having had some drunken fool punch her in the face.

Their attackers were all violent men, of course. That's a separate issue that really needs addressing.
If we say "Women can resist arrest!", criminals will take advantage.

Improve the police force, weed out the bad ones, change the culture - all good.
But what happened to "No sacred castes"?

Would those good officers shop each other for offending? Or for say, being aggressive in a pub while being off duty?

@Applemaggot

Whether you think the suggestions in this thread are good ideas or not/workable or not - I wonder how many men are coming up with solutions today? I wonder how many men are pondering male violence and women’s safety during their coffee break. We should compare that figure against how many women are actually putting across ideas about how to solve male violence against women and girls.

We should not be talking about NAMALT, clearly many are and we are right to be concerned.

Excellent point. What do men have to say? Do any men wish to weigh in?

@Floisme

You know what, this morning I really don't care if it's workable or not.

I am sick to fucking death of women being expected to put themselves at risk because the alternatives 'aren't workable'.

This x 1000

Normally I'd agree with you but I'm just so fucking jaded, I just know it wouldn't work.
After a murder, estate and letting agents stop letting women go to isolated viewing alone, but men still kill women.
After a murder, there's a huge campaign to remind women not to get into unlicensed cabs, but men still kill women.
We get rape alarms, cctv, well lit areas, licenced cabs, text people when we get home, don't put ourselves in risky situations with strangers, leave our abusers, placate our abusers, walk in pairs whenever possible, don't walk alone when it's dark, don't exercise outside when it's dark, or walk the dog at night, carry our keys as weapons, hide our valuables, wear shoes that let us walk confidently, pretend to be on the phone to defer a potential attacker and still men kill women. You can put any fucking deterrent or obstacle in their way but it won't bring one single murdered woman back to life and it won't stop one single one of those cunts from hurting another woman in the future.

@HermioneWeasley

The police are not under funded. They have the resources to dance at every pride parade and pet people dressed in puppy costumes, they have the resources to ask people on social media to get in touch if they’ve been offended by anything as it might be a hate crime, they have the resources to send 2 officer to a different county on an overnight stay to interview a mum about her views, they have the resources to turn up at workplaces to “check your thinking”.

They just don’t care about women

Quite of the day.

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