Women must resist arrest by any male police officer and demand the presence of a policewoman

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I've never posted on mumsnet before but I'm compelled to after reading reports of the kidnap, rape and murder of Sarah Everard.

Any woman who finds herself in a situation where she faces arrest by a male police officer must resist and obstruct that arrest at all costs. She must not face charges for doing either, since it is potentially dangerous for a woman to be taken away by a male police officer. We can no longer trust the police.

Rather, a woman must be able to demand that a policewoman be present before any arrest takes place. We can no longer assume that there is any rigour in the recruitment process involving male police officers.

Do you think I am being fair? After what happened to Sarah Everard, I think that resisting arrest and insisting a woman be present is essential to women's safety. See below for some recent cases involving the police.

Detective Inspector Neil Corbel was charged with 19 counts of voyeurism in the Greater London, Manchester and Brighton areas.

Wayne Couzens.

Deniz Jaffer and Jamie Lewis taking unofficial pictures of Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman after they were stabbed to death.

I’m sure there are more incidents where male police officers hold women in contempt and would harm them if they could.

The warning signs were all there:
www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/sarah-everard-murder-killer-wayne-couzens-could-have-been-stopped-1225004/amp

FGS his nicknames in a previous police role was "the rapist". The solution presented here, is once again, women change their behaviour to protect themselves against male violence.

I dont think that is the solution. These police must take responsibility and stop allowing predatory men to enter and remain in their workforce.

@Pumperthepumper I really don't care. If she wasn't breaking the law and assaulting a police officer then it wouldn't have happened. Actions have consequences.

@AndNothingButTheTruth

Parm Sandhu - former Met police chief superintendent has just said on sky that her advice to women is not to get into an unmarked with a male officer and that all people (whether prisoners or not) should only be transported in a marked police car. She said the officer should call for a marked car

This information needs to be spread far and wide.

[quote AwaAnBileYerHeid]@Pumperthepumper I really don't care. If she wasn't breaking the law and assaulting a police officer then it wouldn't have happened. Actions have consequences.[/quote]
Or, if we held our police to higher standards, they wouldn’t do flying kicks towards stomachs of children.

Even a marked police car wouldn’t make me feel safer. Only an additional female officer would. It’s like seeing a female doctor. You are vulnerable.

@Thurlow

I understand why people are saying this. There have been repeated and gross failings within the police as regards their vetting and their internal complaints policies and it needs reviewing now. No one is going to deny this.

However the quick fix is not to say no woman can be arrested by a solo male police officer. There are not enough police officers to work in pairs, there are not enough female police officers to attend all crimes involving lone females.

It’s not a workable solution.

That's just tough. Any lone officer trying to arrest me will be resisted.

It's not women's fault that the police are underfunded, nor that some men are predators. As such, we should resist arrest by a lone officer.

Make it a general political & societal problem to fix.

Actions have consequences.

The consequences should have been the grown man restraining the 15 year old girl and arresting her, not booting her in the stomach.

@pumperthepumper and if these types of parents raised their children to higher standards they wouldn't be assaulting police officers.

@LolaLouLou

The warning signs were all there: www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/sarah-everard-murder-killer-wayne-couzens-could-have-been-stopped-1225004/amp

FGS his nicknames in a previous police role was "the rapist". The solution presented here, is once again, women change their behaviour to protect themselves against male violence.

I dont think that is the solution. These police must take responsibility and stop allowing predatory men to enter and remain in their workforce.

Definitely this. The vetting process has to improve. Any officer charged with sexual offences of any kind should be kicked out. Maybe they should spot check officers’ hard drives for evidence of an interest in violent pornography or visits to prostitutes

[quote AwaAnBileYerHeid]@pumperthepumper and if these types of parents raised their children to higher standards they wouldn't be assaulting police officers.[/quote]
So, just so we’re clear, you really think there’s nothing that police officer could have done differently here?

The police are not under funded. They have the resources to dance at every pride parade and pet people dressed in puppy costumes, they have the resources to ask people on social media to get in touch if they’ve been offended by anything as it might be a hate crime, they have the resources to send 2 officer to a different county on an overnight stay to interview a mum about her views, they have the resources to turn up at workplaces to “check your thinking”.

They just don’t care about women

@HermioneWeasley

The police are not under funded. They have the resources to dance at every pride parade and pet people dressed in puppy costumes, they have the resources to ask people on social media to get in touch if they’ve been offended by anything as it might be a hate crime, they have the resources to send 2 officer to a different county on an overnight stay to interview a mum about her views, they have the resources to turn up at workplaces to “check your thinking”.

They just don’t care about women

THIS too! 👆🏼

@yourhairiswinterfire

Actions have consequences.

The consequences should have been the grown man restraining the 15 year old girl and arresting her, not booting her in the stomach.

Again, I really don't care what happens to people of this ilk, people that think it's ok to assault police officers. I really don't care. Perhaps the police and society in general need to be a bit more heavy handed with these scumbags.

There seems to be a correlation in society where antisocial behaviour has increased while consequences and robust punishments have decreased.

The person I feel for is the officer who was trying to do his job and was pounced on by another party who could easily, in a split second, have went from what she was doing, hitting and pulling, to a kick to the officers head.

The person I feel for is the officer who was trying to do his job and was pounced on by another party who could easily, in a split second, have went from what she was doing, hitting and pulling, to a kick to the officers head

Or his stomach?

[quote AwaAnBileYerHeid]@pumperthepumper and if these types of parents raised their children to higher standards they wouldn't be assaulting police officers.[/quote]
Jeeeez. One way to derail a really serious thread with a trivial comment.

@pumperthepumper I didn't say that there was nothing he could have done differently. Did I? I said that I don't care that he was heavy handed and that she shouldn't have been assaulting a police officer and that she got kicked because of her actions.

RE: the video, the female police officer ran in and clearly didn’t view that girl as a threat. In no way was that kick to the stomach the appropriate first reaction. He could have easily subdued her in another way.

My adoptive daughter’s birth mum was kicked in the stomach by a man - unfortunately she was pregnant with my AD at the time, this resulted in my AD being born at 27 weeks - she shouldn’t be here now. She spent 3 months in SCBU and at 6 years old, she still has issues that she will have to learn to live with. The man in question probably doesn’t even remember doing it.

@FrancescaContini not derailing a thread at all, I made a point which was very in line with the thread and I'm subsequently replying to people who replied to that comment. Bye.

@HermioneWeasley

The police are not under funded. They have the resources to dance at every pride parade and pet people dressed in puppy costumes, they have the resources to ask people on social media to get in touch if they’ve been offended by anything as it might be a hate crime, they have the resources to send 2 officer to a different county on an overnight stay to interview a mum about her views, they have the resources to turn up at workplaces to “check your thinking”.

They just don’t care about women

Rainbow decals on cars, ££££ on Stonewall membership, hours spent recording daft videos

Yeah I don't buy the resource issue either, more a problem of how they choose to use resource.

[quote AwaAnBileYerHeid]@pumperthepumper I didn't say that there was nothing he could have done differently. Did I? I said that I don't care that he was heavy handed and that she shouldn't have been assaulting a police officer and that she got kicked because of her actions.[/quote]
She didn’t though. She got kicked because he, a police officer with a huge amount of power, was violent to her.

@Pumperthepumper

The person I feel for is the officer who was trying to do his job and was pounced on by another party who could easily, in a split second, have went from what she was doing, hitting and pulling, to a kick to the officers head

Or his stomach?

Don't assault an officer then 🤷‍♀️

@AwaAnBileYerHeid so how do we know he wouldn’t kick another child in the stomach?

@Pumperthepumper no, she got kicked because she was assaulting an officer. If she had been just standing and not on top of an officer assaulting him then the other officer would have passed her by and went straight to assist his colleague, bypassing her completely.

Don't you think the police resources are stretched enough without an additional requirement to ensure a female cop is present whenever a woman is being arrested? And what if it just happened that only male cops were on duty (since more than half of police tend to be men) and a woman needed arrested?

Don't officers have bodycams anyway, and if you think an arrest has been excessive in force you can make a complaint and request the bodycam footage? Or is that just in America?

But if you think it would be helpful go ahead and ask your local MP or MSP to push for it to become law. Interesting to see how far it would go.

Could there possibly be a specific independent, though government sponsored, helpline/text service for women and girls to call when they feel unsafe being arrested? Maybe modeled on domestic violence helplines, but enabled and authorized to check that the arrest is being entered as a legitimate arrest into a police database. Bet this bastard wouldn't have done that, as it was not a legitimate arrest - we need additional safeguards to protect females from predators in the police, as current ones are not working.