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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lammy… again!

214 replies

Sexnotgender · 29/09/2021 09:49

Apparently an adult male can get a cervix through hormones and surgery!

Who knew?

I’m equally embarrassed for him and bloody livid that this moron is in government.

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Cailleach1 · 01/10/2021 11:07

So, he is saying that people (young) who carry knives do so because they don't have confidence in the state protecting them.

Women are more vulnerable to males (in any guise). Women who see what is happening have less confidence in the state's willingness to protect them. In fact there appears to be quite a few MP's like DL who apparently want to remove the few safeguards and protections women have. It also appears not just Labour Party, but also the GP, LD, WEP policy to make women more vulnerable. The Cons are in power while imprisoned women are forced to share spaces with rapists. You couldn't make it up!

DL says people are frightened and that is why young people carry knives to protect themselves. So, I wonder if DL think it would be justified for women to carry knives to protect themselves. As he appears to be pushing for less protections for women and certainly some women will be more frightened. Or will the advice for women to stay at home?

Bottleup · 01/10/2021 11:53

"I wonder if Lammy would be satisfied if a substantial number of bodies in the Commons id'd as black men. Job done. If Theresa May did, then there'd even have been a PM!

If he says he believes transubstantiation in one 'identity', he would be hypocritical not to say he believes and accepts the other."

I like this idea Cailleach1. I do wish a handful of white female MPs would tell Lammy they now self id as black men so he should "calm down dear" as he's now in the majority.

NewMutiny · 01/10/2021 12:20

Oh dear David. Is it uncharitable to think the camera operator set him right up there?

ArabellaScott · 01/10/2021 12:34

[quote Childrenofthestones]NotBadConsidering said about Lammy.....

"So you’re saying your school has a good singing programme but is terrible at teaching biology?😆

Honestly, I despair about this guy. How can he be so stupid?"

Mmm...[/quote]
Grin

Panto season already? I swear it gets earlier every year.

Cailleach1 · 01/10/2021 13:59

There are probably many MP's and councillors as bad, and maybe worse, than DL. These men's rights activists, and stooges have inserted themselves in influential places and influenced those who are easily influenced (and happy) to disrespect women. KS happily went on TV and insulted women. DL's appearances were an exercise of particular insult when he talked about men 'probably' not growing ovaries, but could have bits every bit the same to becoming women with surgery and cross sex synthetic hormones. Yet then gets indignant when asserting that he is a black man. He knows what immutable biology is, but can't extend any respect to women's. Never mind needs and rights.

The Labour party have a high profile this week, so their insults are particularly raw as they being beamed into our homes. The perpetrators are still quite happy to do it though.

Cailleach1 · 01/10/2021 14:05

Just remembered he pushed for women to have to be housed alongside any male, including rapists, in prison. A place were women cannot remove herself from the dangers convicted rapists would pose.

So, he must really hate women. Or not give a sh1t about women's needs or right to safety.

CatrinVennastin · 01/10/2021 15:11

@christinarossetti19

David's house being converted into flats directly contravenes Haringey's pledge to keep houses as houses for families to live in due to the shortage of affordable housing in the borough.

christinarossetti19 · 01/10/2021 15:34

Yes, indeed.

Objections were raised as to that very point but the borough passed the application anyway.

NewMutiny · 01/10/2021 16:04

@christinarossetti19

Yes, indeed.

Objections were raised as to that very point but the borough passed the application anyway.

Well, in fairness, I'm not sure 'the applicant is a massive hypocrite' is a matter for the planning system.
NewMutiny · 01/10/2021 16:04

Ah. It's the council's plan, not just David's. That's different. Ignore me.

PeriChristmas · 01/10/2021 19:00

The thing I find particularly sad about David being captured is that I really thought he was one of our finest MPs. Gutted 😔

christinarossetti19 · 02/10/2021 10:13

@NewMutiny

Ah. It's the council's plan, not just David's. That's different. Ignore me.
Well, yes and no. Haringey have pledged to oppose conversions of houses into flats, but Lammy's application was passed anyway.

It's not just that he's a massive hypocrite. He's using his position as a local political influencer to gain special privileges to increase his property portfolio.

Cailleach1 · 02/10/2021 11:01

If they contravene their policy to allow DL to convert a house into 4 flats, then that would be a precedent for others to follow, wouldn't it? So, the policy is undermined.

So, I take it wasn't just a decision made by the planning officers. Did it go to a meeting and political Councillors got involved to suspend the policy for DL's application. I'd feel quite aggrieved if I also put in an application and it was refused. Since they suspended this policy for DL.

christinarossetti19 · 02/10/2021 14:19

Yep, indeed it does make a mockery of their pledge to protect family homes.

I don't know the ins and outs, only that the application was approved.

Cailleach1 · 02/10/2021 17:21

Just looking at the planning decision. It was to convert a house into two flats. House is situated in a Conservation Area.

From the Decision Report by the Planning Inspector in Harringay.

The host property is located within a conservation area, but is located within the Family Housing Protection Zone as designated by DM16 of the Development Management DPD.

6.5 DPD Policy DM16 states that to maintain a supply of larger family homes to meet Haringey’s housing need, the Council will only permit the conversion of a larger home(s) to small self-contained homes (Class C3) where the gross original internal floor space of the existing dwelling is greater than 120m2;

6.6 Conversions within the Family Housing Protection Zone will only be considered acceptable where they comply with criteria above and result in no net loss in the number of family sized units. The Development Management DPD defines family sized units as those having 3 or more bedrooms.

So, while they don't advocate the conversion of a family home into smaller units whereby it would result in a net loss of a family sized home, they also state that there is a target to increases the provision of homes (which covers the area) and this has not been reached. Also, DL's property seems to be just within the large enough 120M square, and resulting with three bedrooms being included in one of the new flats.

There were 6 objections and the decision was made using delegated powers, not going to the Planning Committee. One objection was moot as it was about a house of multiple occupancy (which the two flats in one house are not).One of the flats will have three bedrooms, which enters out into the garden. As three bedrooms is the minimum for something to be classified as a family home, then there is theoretically no net loss of family homes resulting from the conversion of the house into two smaller flats. The new 3 bedroomed flat will obviously be roughly half the size of the original family home, but in theory classed as no net loss.

I have read a comment that DL fought against the conversion of the houses into flats when he lived in the area. I don't know if this is true or not. He has happily moved away in any case, so it wouldn't bother him in his new abode.

The application was by an agent but the applicant appears to be down under his wife's name.

So, on the face of it, it seems to be straightforward enough. I don't know if there would be a less generous interpretation of policies towards converting a Conservation Area family homes in Haringey, in the case on another applicant. I'd imagine future applicants will kick up a fuss if there were more rigid interpretations in the spirit of protecting the character of the area going forward. However, it seems there were no Councillor involvement (put into writing to the planning section anyway). There was a pre-application meeting with the Planning section.

Cailleach1 · 02/10/2021 17:35

So the loophole that Haringey are allowing is that if one of the flats in house conversion contains three bedrooms, it is regarded as a little house and consequently there is no net loss of a family sized home.

Cailleach1 · 02/10/2021 17:45

Just to say this is all public information on Harringay's planning section. Along with the letters of objection from the neighbours. No private information here.

christinarossetti19 · 02/10/2021 18:52

Yes, no doubt the application ticked all necessary boxes to go through.

Yes, DL did oppose conversion of these good-sized family homes into flat when he lived in the area.

Having upgraded his address for schools, his pov seems to have changed.

AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 02/10/2021 19:15

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

In the radio 5 interview, David seems to be saying white female constituents aren't entitled to tell him how they feel about their rights because he's black. So we can tell a white MP, right?

Can black women tell him they want single-sex prisons? Or did he forget black women existed when he was setting it up as a white woman vs black man issue?

Please note that he also wants more black men in parliament and affirmative action to get them in there. He has said this. Now I absolutely had no issue with that until today's interview, when I heard that white women weren't allowed to talk about women's rights to black male MPs or black male Shadow Ministers for Justice.

Seems poor value for his wage, right?

If that is true - and I am not doubting Pothole's honesty; only wondering if this is perhaps a misinterpretation of what that idiot Lammy said - then he is a racist as as well a misogynist.
dyslek · 02/10/2021 19:19

He's desperate. Using the race card to cover the fact he oppresses women. The man discusts me. Is it possible to get any lower?

dyslek · 02/10/2021 19:21

He has lived one of the most privilidged lives immaginable, unlike women who end up in prison who have terrible rates of abuse against them.
This man is UTTERLLY DISCUSTING.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 02/10/2021 19:32

Perhaps he's just really bad at communication, Alfonso? Bit unfortunate in a cabinet/shadow cabinet minister, really.

Jane Clare Jones transcribed the whole thing here
twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1443288464804532225?s=19

Here is the most salient parts. Her notations are in red.

Lammy… again!
Lammy… again!
christinarossetti19 · 02/10/2021 19:36

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AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 02/10/2021 19:58

Thanks, @PurgatoryOfPotholes. DL is even stupider than I had originally thought. Because my ancestors were slaves I'm not going to listen to anyone else's opinions on rights? I am not someone who swears but if I did I would have some choice words for that whiny ignorant self-pitying arrogant bottomfeeder.

AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 02/10/2021 19:59

Keep it up, Labour! Maybe you'll get elected in the 22nd century!

Maybe.