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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lammy… again!

214 replies

Sexnotgender · 29/09/2021 09:49

Apparently an adult male can get a cervix through hormones and surgery!

Who knew?

I’m equally embarrassed for him and bloody livid that this moron is in government.

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GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 29/09/2021 17:23

Maybe we should send the young chap a book about pregnancy and parturition, to make him aware of what the cervix actually does?

How does someone so immensely stupid or ignorant or craven (take your pick of any or all) manage to get to bloody Harvard? And then end up as an MP?

Un-bloody-believable.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 29/09/2021 17:40

The impression I'm getting from social media is that there are loads of people who would raise this issue on the doorsteps, if Labour activists hit the streets and asked.

At this point, I'm remembering something an ex-Labour party member and MNer said- that she and other people who actually did the drudgery of political campaigning got shoved out of the party by Momentum types. And those ones may be only want to do digital activism on social media. Imo, the types who brand themselves as young Labour activists online don't come across very often as people who would give up their Saturday morning to go door to door, being approachable and reasonable to people with very different views.

Convincing floating voters to consider your party is a talent, and it's not one you can develop while simultaneously worrying about being cancelled by your walk partner if you don't say TWAW fast enough.

Fitt · 29/09/2021 17:49

I quite enjoy the way Lammy's mansplaining compulsion launched him straight into an explanation of how men acquire women's body parts. As if it's a kitchen refurbishment or something.

OvaHere · 29/09/2021 18:05

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

The impression I'm getting from social media is that there are loads of people who would raise this issue on the doorsteps, if Labour activists hit the streets and asked.

At this point, I'm remembering something an ex-Labour party member and MNer said- that she and other people who actually did the drudgery of political campaigning got shoved out of the party by Momentum types. And those ones may be only want to do digital activism on social media. Imo, the types who brand themselves as young Labour activists online don't come across very often as people who would give up their Saturday morning to go door to door, being approachable and reasonable to people with very different views.

Convincing floating voters to consider your party is a talent, and it's not one you can develop while simultaneously worrying about being cancelled by your walk partner if you don't say TWAW fast enough.

Hence why twitter thought 2019 was going to be a Labour landslide.
Sexnotgender · 29/09/2021 18:07

Convincing floating voters to consider your party is a talent, and it's not one you can develop while simultaneously worrying about being cancelled by your walk partner if you don't say TWAW fast enough.

Exactly. It’s a skill and you can’t bully people into voting for you.

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Passmeamenuatthetottenham · 29/09/2021 18:10

Yeah, Lammy sure has taken mansplaining to a whole new level!

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 29/09/2021 18:26

Labour activists must choose between learn ing the art of persuasion, or working towards abolishing the secrecy of the ballot box, along with single-sex spaces. Which will they choose?

Don't answer that...

MrsOvertonsWindow · 29/09/2021 18:31

@Fitt

I quite enjoy the way Lammy's mansplaining compulsion launched him straight into an explanation of how men acquire women's body parts. As if it's a kitchen refurbishment or something.
Grin Grin
senua · 29/09/2021 18:43

I heard him say "commit suicide" too. Can you remember which interview he said that in?

@ColourMagic
It was in Rachel Burden's interview on Radio5, here, about 3 minutes in. Preserved forever so there's no denying it.Grin

Mummyoflittledragon · 29/09/2021 18:46

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

Im 52, i have never ever had a political canvasser on my door step…ever

I heard a rumour that there was one in the village once

I had a Tory one for the first GE after Brexit. I told him in no uncertain terms to get off my property. If anyone comes to my door, they will be given short shrift as I’m politically homeless.
Mummyoflittledragon · 29/09/2021 18:49

@NecessaryScene

Why is he so keen to campaign for stuff he doesn't understand in the least?

At this point he's got a lot of sunk costs - he was deeply involved in getting the GRA2004 passed.

Reading his contributions to Hansard debates, he was much the same then as he is now. Very dismissive of concerns, dodging questions, and seeming to believe that transwomen are in some metaphysical way "women" and that transition is a magical process.

Here are a couple of his bits:

(on third spaces) The Government also believe that separate facilities for minority groups are objectionable, and we urge the House to reject the proposal. For obvious reasons, many hon. Members fought to ensure that separate signs for minorities became a thing of the past in South Africa, and we did not engage in that fight in order to set up such prejudice over here.

And this exchange is good:

Andrew Selous: First, let me say what the new clause is not about. It is right and proper that transsexual people should use changing and washing facilities appropriate to their acquired gender. That is what should happen and I am confident that in a vast and overriding number of cases it will happen without difficulty. However, as the measure will give legal recognition, in all cases, to the acquired gender, I want the House to consider, and the Minister to explain, what would happen if someone had a gender recognition certificate but had not undergone sex reassignment surgery and wanted to cause difficulties to the management of the facilities.

(Selous goes on to cite a real-world example of a "transwoman" with a beard who sued a church for not being able to go to a "ladies prayer meeting", and wonders what would happen if such a person was refused entry to women's showers, changing rooms etc... Various dismissals, then...)

Mr. Lammy: The hon. Gentleman will know that under the Bill a person would have to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria, to have lived with the condition for two years, to demonstrate that there was some permanence in the condition and to convince the panel that they merited a gender recognition certificate. He is right to suggest that that may not always mean that they had undergone an operation—there could be medical reasons for that—but those are substantial hurdles to overcome and that is the purpose of the Bill.

Lynne Jones: To be candid, if the hon. Gentleman is suggesting that someone who sports a full beard would have their application for a gender recognition certificate granted, I wonder what world he is living in.

Andrew Selous: The hon. Lady attacks me for raising the issue, but on several occasions over the years the House has not foreseen potential developments. I fully accept that the vast majority of transsexual people will not want to go down that route, but there is always the litigious minority to deal with. I am keen to avoid public resentment and concern.

Mr. Lammy: The hon. Gentleman keeps talking about a litigious minority. I remind him that there are more than 60 million people in this country and only about 5,000 transsexuals, and the Bill contains a number of hurdles. For example, the person concerned must have had gender dysphoria, and as my hon. Friend the Member for Birmingham, Selly Oak (Lynne Jones) explained, persons with that condition do not want to be exposed in public in that way. Surely, therefore, the hon. Gentleman's preoccupation with the minority becomes redundant. Has he not argued himself out of the position from which he started?

What an idiot.
endofagain · 29/09/2021 19:13

I am just shocked at the level of ignorance. I was a midwife and a research specialist for years. If I had turned up and talked such dangerous nonsense I would have been sacked.

NewMutiny · 29/09/2021 19:23

@Jaysmith71

Lammy said on that interview that one in four transpeople COMMIT suicide, not attempt, but COMMIT

It's all getting very Four Yorkshiremen: I used to get up at four o'clock in the morning, half an hour before I went to bed, commit suicide, then pay mill owner for permission for him to use exclusionary language against me....

Actual LOL. Grin
namesnamesnamesnames · 29/09/2021 19:25

@Doglicks

I went to school with him. He peddles this "born and brought up on the mean streets of Tottenham" nonsense, but he was actually a full boarder at The Kings Cathedral School in Peterborough, and was a chorister in the Cathedral choir. I have a cassette tape of him singing "Old Father Time" in a high soprano solo, from a school play in 1985. Barely went home apart from 3 times a year for 7 years. Then off to Oxford and then Harvard. When exactly was he down living the rough life in the ghetto, that he bases his politics on?

(Sorry that was just an aside from your thread) :-)

Thank you for that insight, interesting.
Signalbox · 29/09/2021 19:26

"Lynne Jones: To be candid, if the hon. Gentleman is suggesting that someone who sports a full beard would have their application for a gender recognition certificate granted, I wonder what world he is living in"

Seems that the hon. gentleman was living in this world all along.

NewMutiny · 29/09/2021 19:28

To be candid, if the hon. Gentleman is suggesting that someone who sports a full beard would have their application for a gender recognition certificate granted, I wonder what world he is living in.

Amazing. That old law of unintended consequences eh?

NewMutiny · 29/09/2021 19:28

Ha ha. X post!

Forgotthebins · 29/09/2021 20:05

It just shows how little people understand female anatomy. No politician would go on telly and claim that a trans man could grow a prostrate.

christinarossetti19 · 29/09/2021 20:19

namesnamesnamesnames Lammy did go to primary school in Tottenham before being awarded his chorister scholarship to be fair.

He even lived quite near Tottenham as an adult, but moved to the posher part of the borough when his children were approaching school age.

He's just had an application to convert one of the houses in the borough that he owns into flats to maximise rental income, presumably.

What a man of the people!

Maskless · 29/09/2021 21:31

@Sexnotgender

Apparently an adult male can get a cervix through hormones and surgery!

Who knew?

I’m equally embarrassed for him and bloody livid that this moron is in government.

he's muddled cervix with clitoris.
Maskless · 29/09/2021 21:32

@Forgotthebins

It just shows how little people understand female anatomy. No politician would go on telly and claim that a trans man could grow a prostrate.
It's prostate.
MistandMud · 29/09/2021 21:47

Autocorrect does that to me too.

I think he’s muddled cervix with vagina, possibly.

Sexnotgender · 29/09/2021 22:00

he's muddled cervix with clitoris.

Easy done I’m sure 🙄

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Womensrightsosaurus · 29/09/2021 22:08

I just can’t anymore with Labour I’m done. I was a Labour voter. Have been for the last 20 years. Parents both were Labour voters. The current state of the Labour Party for me is shameful. Never been a fan of David Lammy, but to hear an adult man who is married to a woman ans has three children doesn’t know the basic anatomical function of a woman’s reproductive system is just the bloody icing on the shit show cake that is Labour. Never comes up on the doorstep my arse. This is your doorstep look at what people are saying. I have never had anybody from the Labour Party knock on my door. But I have stopped a labour M.P on the street to speak to her about this issue. It was years ago. She was completely bemused, not a clue what I was on about.
Rayner makes me shudder. Atm the whole party just feels out of their depth. Like they are the victims and designers of some horrible political coup that’s been activated to render them unelectable from the inside. I listened to Starmer’s speech and all I could think was “this is supposed to be moving and I am not moved “ His attempts at a stiring almost thestricaly timed speech designed to communicate authenticity was bland. I really disliked the portrayal of his dad as the worker but his poor mum as just sick. Really irked me. The only one of them that I can muster any time for is Ashworth. I don’t think they can win an election. I think they need to all be removed from office and start again. It just gets worse and worse for women and girls. We need a new Labour movement. With a solid professional and capable base. Well educated and with working career experience in the real world. Who’s aims are the improvement of life conditions; health, education, and financial with an even hand that helps people raise themselves up out of poverty. Free from entryism That’s all we need. It shouldn’t be this hard.

daringdoris · 29/09/2021 23:32

I raised it on my doorstep to a Labour Party canvasser before the last general election.

And me.