Women's Wellbeing in Prisons

[DisgustedofManchester]

Apologies if this is a repost as I know how many people in these fora are concerned about the health and well being of women in prison. Since it happened in 2019 I am sure there is a long thread about it but David Lammy rightly brought it to light again this week. pre and ante natal care in prisons is pretty disgusting, its almost as though most people do not care.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-58646499

[User983590521]

Great.
So some of that building work can be trans units attached to women's prisons but not communicating with the areas for female prisoners.
That would recognise TW's chosen gender which, of course, is not their sex.

Also, how come we all know about Equality Act exceptions but that High Court judge apparently doesn't know?

[PurgatoryOfPotholes]

Hello! @DisgustedofManchester

I've seen you posting on other threads today, claiming no-one cares about prisons, but you still haven't come back to this thread!

This is a briefing paper published by the Commission in Sex in Prison, established by the Howard League for Penal Reform to undertake the first ever review of sex inside prison.

//www.howardleague.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Coercive-sex-in-prison.pdf

This is a table from it. Observe the number of assaults recorded in the women's estate in 2012 and 2013. Please explain to me how placing male prisoners in the women's estate has improved these numbers.

[PurgatoryOfPotholes]

[Alekto]

What's occurring?

[PurgatoryOfPotholes]

Our OP has lost his/her way back to this thread.

On the 9th of January, I saw him/her saying on another thread that s/he thinks we should be more concerned on this forum about the number of "cis women" assaulting women in prisons. I totally agree that the number of sexual assaults should be zero, and I invited him/her back here to discuss it. As you can see, I provided statistics for our discussion!

Disgusted did not manage to get back.

Today I've read this: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10406351/I-sexually-assaulted-transgender-rapist-womens-jail.html

extract

Cheryle's statements formed part of the Crown Prosecution Service's case against White, which saw her admit two sexual assaults on female prisoners at Leeds Crown Court in October 2018.

A judge, who described White as a 'predator', ordered the remaining two charges, including the assault on Cheryle, to lie on file. White was also convicted of raping another two women outside of jail, as well as wounding.

So, over the course of three months in 2017, KW is known to have committed at least four sexual assaults in one women's prison in England, equalling the number of sexual assaults in all female prisons in England and Wales for the whole of 2013.

It may very well be more than four. (I said on another thread some time ago that I suspected KW had committed more than two assaults in that prison!) This was the impact of just one male prisoner in one prison.

So surely sexual assaults against female prisoners committed by male prisoners is also a subject worthy of discussion on a feminist forum?

[Waitwhat23]

I do wonder sometimes if @disgustedofmanchester or @anaily or any of the other regular anti-women posters ever feel embarrassment at their inane posts being so comprehensively debunked. I suspect not - I'm pretty sure that they just plop their nonsense and then unwatch the post/ignore email notifications to avoid any responses. It's an odd thing to do because the excellent responses (particularly from OhHolyJesus and PurgatoryOfPotholes) are very informative for the lurkers.

[Alekto]

Yes, I see. I'll give it another bump then, in the hope Disgust manages to find his or her way back to the thread.

Sorry, haven't read the full thread and am at work so can't do so right now, but I was horrified to see Julie Bindel tweet this yesterday:

" I am flabbergasted to hear you say that "since 2019 when the system was strengthened" WRONG, "there has not been a single sexual assault in a woman's prison by a transwoman" WRONG! I have heard from 2 women directly, and several others have reported to outside agencies."

twitter.com/bindelj/status/1483031421027561479?s=21

They're still just callously sacrificing imprisoned women to these fucking men!

[Helleofabore]

I imagine the pure 'glee' that people like Tom Harwood and posters such as barley who posted that exact claim on another thread about 'no sexual assaults from male prisoners being incarcerated with women since 2019' feel in saying that.

Then I imagine just how invisible the women who either have reported and been ignored, or who don't bother reporting it to the MoJ but are telling other organisations about it feel.

Because we KNOW just how much women's reports of sexual assaults mean to the authorities who are in charge of protecting women. You only have to look at the prosecution rates to see the value women's reports have.

[ScreamingMeMe]

[PurgatoryOfPotholes]

Getting chilly. I'll start a campfire.

[Alekto]

Still crickets I see. So surprising.

[Helleofabore]

Was that another tumbleweed rolling past?

[PurgatoryOfPotholes]

I think I'd be more likely to find someone willing to answer if I went to Mars.

[PrawnofthePatriarchy]

Not a peep from the anti woman posters who were so vehement at the start of the thread. Hmm...

[ScreamingMeMe]

Oh no @DisgustedofManchester and @anaily have you got lost?