'The broadcaster Carrie Grant and her presenter husband once had three daughters. Now she is the only female'

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Article in Sunday Times today. Afraid I don't have a share token. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4f956268-1336-11ec-a8a6-db0b408d06d6?shareToken=e9d28aa2838a4d2fd0f5590b44444fe2

I know nothing about this couple but apparently they are both TV presenters. They have four children, the eldest two being young adults now. The three female children are all now identifying as other things and have changed their names. According to the comments, she has previously talked about her children having ADHD, being on the autistic spectrum, having various mental health issues - but none of that is mentioned in this article. Hmm.

This is a bit concerning. Carrie is speaking for the first time about the complexities of family life with children who question their gender before a conference this month called The Gender Agenda, at which she and her husband are appearing. At the event, organised by Oasis, the biggest schools academies trust, guidelines will be published for teachers on how to handle boys who want to be girls and vice versa.

I hope there's going to be a range of opinions.

I don't think SC would be considered an evangelical Christian anymore.

Surely what matters is whether he identifies as an evangelical

Female friends of his on SM? Christ, it’s all they post about, I thought it would get better as they got older and had jobs/uni to think about but they are all turning 19 and it’s ramping up

It doesn’t help when we have female British actors being interviewed in national newspapers about chest binding and how ‘freeing’ that is or female Canadian actors stating their TM and being interviewed about having a surgically unnecessary double mastectomy that’s sanitised into being called top surgery and how they now feel their ‘authentic’ self.

Children, teens, young adults are trying to figure out who they are in this confusing world and are influenced by these so-called role models. I’ve wondered if it’s the appeal of an identity.

The institutions that used to provide a sense of identity are all falling away (religion, community ties, national citizenship, being part of any group) with the appeal of being part of the LGBTQAA’s+ is found in a group that can offer a sense of self and identity but also belonging to a wider very politically active group that is everywhere these days.

The institutions that used to provide a sense of identity are all falling away (religion, community ties, national citizenship, being part of any group) with the appeal of being part of the LGBTQAA’s+ is found in a group that can offer a sense of self and identity but also belonging to a wider very politically active group that is everywhere these days

Yes. And it’s all part of a wider agenda in my opinion.

Religion is often ridiculed now, it’s like the new religion is pride.

I’m thankful that my son always had a solid view of “self”. He’s never been influenced by anyone to do anything (hell when he was a toddler but wonderful as he grew up!)

I’m glad he’s got a strong mind and has never felt the need to fit in with anyone. That in itself has always made him quite popular with peers, everyone told me it would be the other way round.

I’m currently trying to instil that in my 7 year old dd but it’s harder with her and I’m very worried about a few things she said to me recently (now I have found this board I will post my own thread in future).

@Heatherington

IIRC, all or most of their children are adopted. These are kids with a lot of past trauma and other challenges, I believe.

I think this is very important, not only do they have past trauma and other issues but adoption may throw up identity issues as well. I think the 3 of them probably require as much help with mental health as can be afforded but this isn't the way, this is the lazy route to sorting their issues which ultimately won't truly solve or help anything.

I have to say I am surprised by any sensible family who accepts this of THREE children in the same family without seeing a social contagion effect. However, it is possible that Carrie and Steve (who I admittedly know very little about) are wanting to publicly support their children rather than go against them given their (possible) myriad issues. It must be hard to do this in the public eye because to disagree with your child in the media would carry other consequences and their first priority is likely to be their children.

@LizzieSiddal

Apologies that quote is from the Hello magazine interview posted by WarriorN

Yes I found the whole article distasteful and far too public.

I found it interesting from the POV that they court sensational and bleeding heart string attention.

Only their youngest child is adopted. Their daughters are all their birth children.

@BillyJoe111

The institutions that used to provide a sense of identity are all falling away (religion, community ties, national citizenship, being part of any group) with the appeal of being part of the LGBTQAA’s+ is found in a group that can offer a sense of self and identity but also belonging to a wider very politically active group that is everywhere these days

Yes. And it’s all part of a wider agenda in my opinion.

Religion is often ridiculed now, it’s like the new religion is pride.

I’m thankful that my son always had a solid view of “self”. He’s never been influenced by anyone to do anything (hell when he was a toddler but wonderful as he grew up!)

I’m glad he’s got a strong mind and has never felt the need to fit in with anyone. That in itself has always made him quite popular with peers, everyone told me it would be the other way round.

I’m currently trying to instil that in my 7 year old dd but it’s harder with her and I’m very worried about a few things she said to me recently (now I have found this board I will post my own thread in future).

Yes, there is something to this. Last year, in my children's rural village school, there were two types of extra-curricular activities running. Sports being one, and the student LGBTQ+ group.

When when we are not under the influence of covid, there are very few non-sport options, compared to a plethora or sporting activities.

My impression from hearing the kids talk about the group is that it is basically taking in all kinds of kids who don't feel like they quite fit in. It sounds weird, but it makes sense when there are so many of them claiming rather suspect sexual identities. Lots of 13 or 14 year old pansexuals.

@Theeyeballsinthesky

Mermaids & the Proud Trust. So it’ll basically be one long propaganda session then

Why is it only with this issue that such fact free nonsense is allowed

Do they get creationists in to run sessions on evolution?

Oasis academy is huge. Manages a number of schools.

I am one of an rapidly growing number of parents here in the UK and in other developed, rich countries, whose teen and young adult children suddenly announce they are non binary or trans.

Mine announced she was non binary out of the blue, after a very difficult and traumatic time in her life and then rapidly insisted she was born in the wrong body. To do this she had to rewrite her history, as so many do.

She started testosterone over 3 years ago after estranging herself from the family - despite us doing our utmost to support her without encouraging medicalisation or delusional thinking.

Last thing I heard from a relative, she had a double mastectomy a couple of months ago.

My story is far from unusual, sharing many hallmarks and similarities.

This is truly the stuff of nightmares.

@SisterWendyBuckett Thank you for sharing your story, I can feel the sadness coming through, I hope that one day she reaches back out to you.

And my daughter's new identity and history has been eagerly embraced and encouraged by the religion she adopted at the same time as transitioning.

Agreed about the nightmares Sister. I have a second cousin who after a turbulent adolescence has suddenly identified as a man and is saving for double mastectomy. Has not even begun to find a path in life yet and it seems like a huge distraction - what my mother used to call a four colour propelling pencil - as a child she was convinced that if she had one, her homework would suddenly be easy.

@MonsignorMirth

boys who want to be girls

Wow, really? This is really transphobic - they don't want to be girls, they are girls, in their internal gender, and always have been.

So it should say something like "girls who want to be seen as girls".

Male bodied people. Human beings of the male sex. Who want to be seen as girls.

@SisterWendyBuckett

And my daughter's new identity and history has been eagerly embraced and encouraged by the religion she adopted at the same time as transitioning.

So sorry for you. It must be tragic to watch this unfold. The double mastectomy is really sad.

@SisterWendyBuckett

I am one of an rapidly growing number of parents here in the UK and in other developed, rich countries, whose teen and young adult children suddenly announce they are non binary or trans.

Mine announced she was non binary out of the blue, after a very difficult and traumatic time in her life and then rapidly insisted she was born in the wrong body. To do this she had to rewrite her history, as so many do.

She started testosterone over 3 years ago after estranging herself from the family - despite us doing our utmost to support her without encouraging medicalisation or delusional thinking.

Last thing I heard from a relative, she had a double mastectomy a couple of months ago.

My story is far from unusual, sharing many hallmarks and similarities.

This is truly the stuff of nightmares.

I have no words. I feel for you, I really do. I have two daughters and I honestly don’t know how I would cope.

The lengths these has beens people go to to keep themselves in the media spotlight beggars belief.

Exposing the 'individual needs' of their children in their quest to remain in the public eye descends to an all time low.

Mass hysteria was raised upthread and it sure seems to apply to this family. The kids are like bloody sheep being shepherded by a couple of idiots.

@SisterWendyBuckett

Thank you for sharing your story. It must be so painful for you

@SisterWendyBuckett - I'm so very sorry. I just don't have the words to express what I feel without getting deleted. Just know that my heart goes out to you.

@SisterWendyBuckett I've seen the same in a young relative of mine. I hope she is happier as he; and I hope it doesn't go pear-shaped when "he" reaches 25 or so. After 9 years on testosterone (since 16) & a double mastectomy at 17.

@SisterWendyBuckett I’m so sorry to hear your and your daughter’s story.

We spend years watching, caring, and worrying for and over them. It’s so terribly sad to see them go down an irreversible road. It seems to help a few, but for many young women it is unlikely to resolve their identity problems, but you’re not allowed to express any concerns, nothing other than affirmation.

I can’t tell you how many parents that I know going through these concerns. All with their daughters. It seems statistically impossible that transgender accounts for such a small percentage of the population and yet here we are, all knowing many cases. What is happening to our girls?

So very very sorry SisterWendyBuckett There are so many parents facing this - a quick look at the LGBT children board shows parent after parent struggling with their child suddenly deciding they want to change sex.

I have a deep fury at the adults pushing this movement and gaslighting (there's a better word) children into believing they can change sex. Along with the useful idiots in education, the NHS and government pandering to the toxic adults and enabling them to use children in this way.

Apologies for bringing it back to Steve Chalke. I listened to the YouTube video of The Gender Agenda in the car earlier, and it left me deeply uncomfortable, and that he was trying to make the Bible fit the narrative. This led me to Google and this article

www.premierchristianity.com/home/steve-chalkes-rethink-of-the-bible-isnt-just-wrong-its-anti-christ/1462.article

It is obviously from a very Christian pov, but possibly an interesting read for those who remember SC from their youth and Spring Harvest. In a way it does explain his murmurings in the video about how biology is teaching us new things about sex and gender, he can just basically rewrite it all, including the Bible to fit his narrative.

Well that article makes me think more kindly of Steve Chalke, anyway. At least he is trying to love radically rather than accuse other Christians of being the devil.

@PermanentTemporary

Well that article makes me think more kindly of Steve Chalke, anyway. At least he is trying to love radically rather than accuse other Christians of being the devil.

Yeah, and then you see the groups that support him spitting venom at conservative Christians and you realize there's barely a feather between them.

I mean, I'm no fan of the conservative theology crowd, not at all. But the cuddly radical love bunch would drum me out of the building as quickly as the conservatives would for being openly and unapologetically lesbian. I've seen it happen if you don't toe the line and there's a sexist, homophobic mother of 'trans son' there.

I was talking to my best friend today and I am really glad she exists because she models actual acceptance and love, and would put her job on the line to uphold safeguarding, largely because she feels her faith demands integrity in protecting the vulnerable. And no one knows who she is, nor will they. She is my frequent reminder that faith can be a positive thing, and fuck knows I need the reminder.