'The broadcaster Carrie Grant and her presenter husband once had three daughters. Now she is the only female'

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Article in Sunday Times today. Afraid I don't have a share token. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4f956268-1336-11ec-a8a6-db0b408d06d6?shareToken=e9d28aa2838a4d2fd0f5590b44444fe2

I know nothing about this couple but apparently they are both TV presenters. They have four children, the eldest two being young adults now. The three female children are all now identifying as other things and have changed their names. According to the comments, she has previously talked about her children having ADHD, being on the autistic spectrum, having various mental health issues - but none of that is mentioned in this article. Hmm.

This is a bit concerning. Carrie is speaking for the first time about the complexities of family life with children who question their gender before a conference this month called The Gender Agenda, at which she and her husband are appearing. At the event, organised by Oasis, the biggest schools academies trust, guidelines will be published for teachers on how to handle boys who want to be girls and vice versa.

I hope there's going to be a range of opinions.

Christians. Progressive Christians. I keep saying this, but the progressive wing of the church is absolutely going to be where all this finds a base when it gets hoiked out of secular institutions because it's a fucking patriarchal religion.

Carrie Grant used to be a presenter on one of the Christian TV channels, GOD TV. Oasis church is run by Steve Chalke, who is an evangelical. Decent guy as was, I shared his politics, but he is an absolute prime example of how the progressive evangelicals are so guiltridden about the homophobia in the church that they let anything and everything painted LGBTQ+ colours through the door for fear of being homophobic again, and seem oblivious to the fact that they've just welcomed old fashioned sexism and homophobia, repackaged with the trans flag.

This really makes me sick. This is an evangelical Christian couple who are so sexist and regressive they don't think their daughters are girls because they don't fit in boxes the church itself had a big hand in enforcing. And one is a lesbian too. Of course.

Fuck the fucking church. All the way.

Yay, more autistic kids that are trans and can be sterilised. Almost like someone wants to get rid of autistic people.

@MonsignorMirth

boys who want to be girls

Wow, really? This is really transphobic - they don't want to be girls, they are girls, in their internal gender, and always have been.

So it should say something like "girls who want to be seen as girls".

But of course, “girl” and “woman” are sex-based terms and nobody can change sex. If these children want to behave or dress in stereotypically feminine ways that is absolutely fine, and what most people would be arguing is that we just need to help society get over these old stereotypes of masculinity and femininity. Boys are allowed to wear dresses, play with dolls, like the colour pink! It’s far easier to actually discuss this if we use gender terms when discussing gender and not mistakenly use sex-based labels.

And also -all 3? No social contagion to see here, oh no.

@Heatherington

IIRC, all or most of their children are adopted. These are kids with a lot of past trauma and other challenges, I believe.

The BBC article says one is adopted.

'The broadcaster Carrie Grant and her presenter husband once had three daughters. Now she is the only female'

The only response to this is the title to Linx's first single

The youngest child is adopted. He's also a boy. I often wonder about the dynamics in a family where the youngest is the only one of their sex.

Oasis is one of the largest multi-academy trusts in the UK. Their 'vision' for their schools is 'A place where everyone is included, making a contribution and reaching their God-given potential.'

@MonsignorMirth

boys who want to be girls

Wow, really? This is really transphobic - they don't want to be girls, they are girls, in their internal gender, and always have been.

So it should say something like "girls who want to be seen as girls".

Please explain gender - let alone ‘internal gender’ and how this compares to sex and personality.

they don't want to be girls, they are girls, in their internal gender, and always have been.

No.

Their physiology down to every individual cell in their bodies, are male.

That they have a body dysphoria which makes their thinking at odds with their sexed bodies is a mental health issue.

The western mind/body split has a lot to answer for.

Lightning doesn’t string twice eh?

I suspect MonsignorMirth is being facetious and pointing out that Carrie Grant is using outmoded language in the neo-religion.

@MonsignorMirth

boys who want to be girls

Wow, really? This is really transphobic - they don't want to be girls, they are girls, in their internal gender, and always have been.

So it should say something like "girls who want to be seen as girls".

“their internal gender” - I can’t believe someone would actually type those words and expect anyone to take them seriously.

People have a biological sex. That’s all.
Anything else is stereotypes.

So Carrie and David Grant have three daughters who like to express themselves in a way some people feel is outside the norm (although I’d wager no one outside their family gives a hoot how they express themselves).

Enough of this gender gibberish

Just to clarify re my first post, I'd incorrectly assumed the highlighted text about "boys wanting to be girls" had come from the org promoting Carrie's talk - it wasn't, it was the Sunday Times' text. I was surprised that it described trans people as "boys wanting to be girls" as this is very much at odds with gender ideology. I'm still surprised to see it worded like that in a major newspaper- clearly I've been reading too much Grauniad!

(I've been on these boards regularly for years, I'm fully aware of what a boy/girl is, and what the TRA line is on gender, although funnily enough still unclear on what gender actually is and how it overlaps with sex (if it even does) ) because despite me constantly asking, no-one ever gives a clear answer)

I had no idea about the GOD TV links. That explains what I described as 'luvviness'🙂

It's hard not to feel sorry for them all. But the attitude of the eldest child is promising...

This doesn't surprise me at all. Carrie and David Grant have made careers out of exploiting their children. They touted them around with their multiple neurodiversities but I guess there's only so many times you can flog that story to the papers. They need a new revenue stream clearly.

www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z72sm39

This is dated 2021

October 2020: metro.co.uk/2020/10/09/pop-idol-stars-carrie-david-grant-raising-adopted-son-special-needs-13393119/

August 2019: www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/1143734/carrie-grant-david-grant-children-autism-spectrum-pointless-celebrities

February 2018: www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/2018022562555/carrie-grant-david-grant-children-exclusive-interview-full-story/

The Gender Agenda Conference webpage uses the wording "The Gender Agenda conference will bring together Transgender pioneers and their allies to consider transgender issues and how best to support people identifying as being in transition."

Just found it interesting that the Times described them differently... "handle" vs "support" as well.

I'm absolutely astonished that Steve Chalke and Oasis have got sucked into this. Having heard him speak many times and read his books in my God-fearing youth, I thought he'd be the last person to accept the trans ideology.

I was present at a SEND conference a few years ago and Carrie was one of the speakers, talking about the struggles her daughters had as a result of ASD / ADHD. At that time, the youngest was twelve and was questioning her gender (Carrie’s words). She had slides of her children and everything.

FloralBunting Sun 12-Sep-21 10:22:32
Christians. Progressive Christians. I keep saying this, but the progressive wing of the church is absolutely going to be where all this finds a base when it gets hoiked out of secular institutions because it's a fucking patriarchal religion.

Carrie Grant used to be a presenter on one of the Christian TV channels, GOD TV. Oasis church is run by Steve Chalke, who is an evangelical. Decent guy as was, I shared his politics, but he is an absolute prime example of how the progressive evangelicals are so guiltridden about the homophobia in the church that they let anything and everything painted LGBTQ+ colours through the door for fear of being homophobic again, and seem oblivious to the fact that they've just welcomed old fashioned sexism and homophobia, repackaged with the trans flag.

This really makes me sick. This is an evangelical Christian couple who are so sexist and regressive they don't think their daughters are girls because they don't fit in boxes the church itself had a big hand in enforcing. And one is a lesbian too. Of course.

Fuck the fucking church. All the way.

It’s quite difficult to reconcile a perfect all-knowing God who doesn’t make mistakes, who knew all about us before we were born, even down to the number of hairs on our heads, with a God who can’t even get the fundamentals of sex right. To be fair, from my quick skim of the article we can’t say that’s what Carrie Grant believes. She seems to think it’s a matter of labels and presentation and appearing to take the children seriously as they explore their identity, but she’s trying to hold them back from physical changes. It’s almost as if she sees the labels of boy and girl as being to do with gender rather than sex.

I am a bit surprised to read this story as I know they used to have a relationship with Kensington Temple some years ago, whose message is standard Evangelical Pentecostal, though the delivery may be more modern. However, considering their occupations I’m not entirely surprised.

The main point I wanted to make in relation to the quoted section above is that there have always been individual Christians, and people of all faiths, who profess to follow a religion but have certain beliefs and practices that are at odds (sometimes seriously at odds) with their professed faith. No church is perfect, they are composed of fallible human beings after all, but this strikes me as unfairly maligning the Christian faith. This is not a mainstream or widespread view.

I really don't think it's helpful to speculate on what these specific children may have thought or not due to their conditions .

At the very least it's likely to get the thread pulled.

@Reallybadidea

I'm absolutely astonished that Steve Chalke and Oasis have got sucked into this. Having heard him speak many times and read his books in my God-fearing youth, I thought he'd be the last person to accept the trans ideology.

Me too, I actually find it really quite upsetting.

@MonsignorMirth

boys who want to be girls

Wow, really? This is really transphobic - they don't want to be girls, they are girls, in their internal gender, and always have been.

So it should say something like "girls who want to be seen as girls".

Umm No