'The broadcaster Carrie Grant and her presenter husband once had three daughters. Now she is the only female'

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Article in Sunday Times today. Afraid I don't have a share token. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4f956268-1336-11ec-a8a6-db0b408d06d6?shareToken=e9d28aa2838a4d2fd0f5590b44444fe2

I know nothing about this couple but apparently they are both TV presenters. They have four children, the eldest two being young adults now. The three female children are all now identifying as other things and have changed their names. According to the comments, she has previously talked about her children having ADHD, being on the autistic spectrum, having various mental health issues - but none of that is mentioned in this article. Hmm.

This is a bit concerning. Carrie is speaking for the first time about the complexities of family life with children who question their gender before a conference this month called The Gender Agenda, at which she and her husband are appearing. At the event, organised by Oasis, the biggest schools academies trust, guidelines will be published for teachers on how to handle boys who want to be girls and vice versa.

I hope there's going to be a range of opinions.

Steve Chalke wrote a short book entitled "The gender agenda" a few years ago it seems. By seeing he consulted Rev Rachel Mann it's obvious what approach he is trying to back up with the Bible. FYI Steve, I think you'll find "male and female, He created them". Job done, book totals two sentences. 👍

Ah, I see from.the blurb of Steve Chalk's book that gender identity is 'a mystery' just like the Resurrection. Transcendence of the body? Ah, it all makes sense, or doesn't. Where biology is inconvenient (eg having to be born via an actual woman) just override it via an angelic visitation, a mystery or a gender identity.

I try to be respectful of religion because I don't regard it as an achievement to be an atheist, more of a defeat. But this is everything I dislike about Christianity.

@Namechangeapologies

He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind” when they were created. Genesis 5.2

The thing which gets me, having a 12 year old daughter going into her teenage years, is my memories of that slow dawning/realisation of the unfairnesses attached to (in my case) the female gender whilst I was going through my teenage years.

In my day it was just "well life is not fair" and you had to just accept it. And the approach was strictly within the confines of the feminism movement (with limited success).
Now it seems the idea of changing gender could be seen to be an attempt by the individual in question to escape the "unfairness" of social attitudes to being female (and vice versa if you were born male but want to become female etc).

Yes, I think this is a real driver. My daughter who was for a time being sucked into this stuff came at it from that direction for sure. The things she associated with being female were unfair. And not just social things like the boys in her gym class being jerks. One of the big ones was menstruation, an also breast development. Maybe the latter was associated with a sense of being sexually noticed by boys and men, but even that is just part of being a sexed species.

The idea that there is some kind of way in which fairness can be applied to this kind of thing seems to be a very natural way to think, but there also is a sense in which it's incoherent - like complaining that it's unfair that we can't see in the dark because we don't have eyes like a cat.

I think that sometimes there are elements of popular thought in the feminist movement that can exacerbate this. Some of this can get into some of the transhumanist thinking, such as artificial wombs to liberate women from childbearing. Most people don't go that far with it but there can be a sense that the problems between women and men come down to a kind of unfairness that women have the more involved reproductive role and men get off lightly.

Absolute nonsense.

[quote Clymene]This doesn't surprise me at all. Carrie and David Grant have made careers out of exploiting their children. They touted them around with their multiple neurodiversities but I guess there's only so many times you can flog that story to the papers. They need a new revenue stream clearly.

www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z72sm39

This is dated 2021

October 2020: metro.co.uk/2020/10/09/pop-idol-stars-carrie-david-grant-raising-adopted-son-special-needs-13393119/

August 2019: www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/1143734/carrie-grant-david-grant-children-autism-spectrum-pointless-celebrities

February 2018: www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/2018022562555/carrie-grant-david-grant-children-exclusive-interview-full-story/[/quote]
What a shitty shitty thing that is to do to a child. How many people would be ok with having their diagnoses and their private business all over the papers?

The sooner issues of consent around this kind of stuff where children are concerned are properly legislated in this country the better.

Awful.

Hard to believe they got through the screening for adoption with this little understanding of their child's individual right to privacy and dignity.

I really do not get the logic of a teenager thinking to themselves "being a girl in 2021 is shite" therefore "I will transition into a boy". That line of thought seems to ignore the fact that both sexes face their own difficulties as a result of sexism or society assumptions about what a female is and what a male is.

I don't know that they really have a realistic sense of what a boy is. Sometimes it seems more like an androgynous member of a boy band, with the personality of a girl.

I've wondered if the real association isn't with the prepubescent body of a child, which at that age most girls have had longer than their adult, feminine body, so it may be a closer fit for their self image. And they mistake that image for the image of a boy, which doesn't change so obviously early in the teen years.

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I'm absolutely astonished that Steve Chalke and Oasis have got sucked into this. Having heard him speak many times and read his books in my God-fearing youth, I thought he'd be the last person to accept the trans ideology.

Yes me too. I remember hearing him speak at Spring Harvest years ago and I've also found it disturbing to see that him and Oasis have been sucked into this.

I'd personally like to consider myself a progressive Christian, but like a PP said they are so concerned about coming across as homophobic that they just don't question this stuff. My current church is thankfully very anti-self ID, but they are also anti-SSM and see both issues as the same side of the coin and it's quite hard to argue for one but not the other sometimes!

All the teens that I know completely accept and use without question gendered language eg AMAB etc. My experience is that only an affirmative response is ‘allowed’ and any questioning is unacceptable.

This, what feels to me, anti-women agenda gains increasing momentum thanks to social media, the entertainment industry, and otherwise intelligent adults who ought to be protecting our children / teens, but completely fail in this regard.

It’s so so worrying when even the BMJ (!) prints an editorial supporting such gendered thinking. Such clever language used to confuse and misdirect from actual reality.

I feel desperately sorry for our children. Especially for young girls. If you don’t look like a Kardashian, then the subtext is that you must be a TM….

@Reallybadidea

I'm absolutely astonished that Steve Chalke and Oasis have got sucked into this. Having heard him speak many times and read his books in my God-fearing youth, I thought he'd be the last person to accept the trans ideology.

@Reallybadidea I’m the same When I saw it was oasis I thought, ah that will be ok then. But no

SC and his adherence viewpoint has been discussed previously, so no real surprise. What I'm more shocked about is the joining up with Mermaids and The Proud Trust

@DrBlackbird

All the teens that I know completely accept and use without question gendered language eg AMAB etc. My experience is that only an affirmative response is ‘allowed’ and any questioning is unacceptable.

This, what feels to me, anti-women agenda gains increasing momentum thanks to social media, the entertainment industry, and otherwise intelligent adults who ought to be protecting our children / teens, but completely fail in this regard.

It’s so so worrying when even the BMJ (!) prints an editorial supporting such gendered thinking. Such clever language used to confuse and misdirect from actual reality.

I feel desperately sorry for our children. Especially for young girls. If you don’t look like a Kardashian, then the subtext is that you must be a TM….

Thanks god mine and his cohorts aren’t like this! Refreshingly sensible.

There was a trans teen a couple of years ahead of them in his school (the years mix a lot) and they didn’t make a whole performance of it, got in with their studies, and was ‘cool’ apparently (as in laid back not trendy). Didn’t demand special treatment, and wore the standard school uniform (single sex school up until a level). Used the relevant sex facilities and didn’t go around as if they had just discovered eternal life. Definitely under the radar and focussed on exams and getting in with their life (like everyone else).

I’m assuming they had/have gender dysphoria - but seemed quite ‘balanced’ and comfortable with it iykwim...

I too saw him at spring harvest, me and my friends did the 24 hour famine and everything! He was quite an exciting Christian figure in the 1980s. He also did a video for teenagers called "Lessons in love"... Shudder!

Haven’t RTFT but…

What incredibly rotten luck to have all 3 children “assigned” the wrong sex at birth. What are the odds?!

Christian couple and Christian school’s federation holding a conference on trans kids…And all us terrible GCs are mouthpieces of the Christian-Far-Right

Sorry if this has already been posted, knackered and need sleep, but this is an interesting earlier article:

www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/2018022562555/carrie-grant-david-grant-children-exclusive-interview-full-story/

Poor kids, having their parents tell the whole world they have "special needs"...... :(

Thanks god mine and his cohorts aren’t like this! Refreshingly sensible

I’m finding it’s the girls who are more caught up in it. SM doesn’t do them any favours.

The only thing I can come up with is 'what a load of old nonsense.'

The pandering to these girls that must have gone on.

I mean, I hope all will be well and I'm sure it'll work itself out but Carrie and David must, on some level they're not prepared to acknowledge, be fitted and wonder what on earth happened here

*gutted not fitted

Also when you adopt don't you need to hide children's identity? I have friends who adopted and they don't even show their child's face on social media to friends and family, let alone a newspaper story with their picture and name. Doesn't it compromise the child's safety?

I guess it might depend on the circumstances Mrsjamin - if the adoption is kin or very open i guess it might be fine?

but when you’re thinking, ‘I don’t know if my child is going to make it through to adulthood,’ that’s a real problem." She adds: "Everyone thinks their kids are going to grow up. I can't be certain of that and it makes me very sad."

She alluded to this also in the BBC bite size article. I’m not sure it’s great parenting to be telling the nation this very private information.

Apologies that quote is from the Hello magazine interview posted by WarriorN

I don't think SC would be considered an evangelical Christian anymore. All the evangelical Christians I know are against self ID, early drugs, social transition etc. His views have changed a lot into seemingly accepting anything to 'be kind'. I think the theory of preferring a trans kid to a gay one is American far right Christians and not representative of evangelicals in this country. As a Christian I certainly wouldn't be sending my kids to any school associated with him.

*Thanks god mine and his cohorts aren’t like this! Refreshingly sensible

I’m finding it’s the girls who are more caught up in it. SM doesn’t do them any favours*

Oh yes, this in spades.

My ds and his make friends all just raise an eyebrow and think it’s so odd.

Female friends of his on SM? Christ, it’s all they post about, I thought it would get better as they got older and had jobs/uni to think about but they are all turning 19 and it’s ramping up.

I’m worried for my 7 year old dd. She’s picked up on so much. It’s a fine line for me between saying “that’s something for grown ups to speak about” and saying, “stop saying ridiculous things”.

I’m not an old dinosaur, I’m 41. But it’s too much bombardment from every source.

She alluded to this also in the BBC bite size article. I’m not sure it’s great parenting to be telling the nation this very private information

They should honestly be ashamed of themselves. Offering up extremely private information about your children to the public is abhorrent.