Is being trans a choice?

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Spotted in Does anyone ever wonder how this will end? Thought it might be worth its own thread. Maybe not. We'll see.

Any man can come in so if they want to harm a transwoman they can do that just as easily.

Plus putting all the female people at increased risk.

No win there.

Are you going to answer my questions.

Call the police

@NiceGerbil

Ah the old you'll be raped anyway answer.

In the old days we could get a bouncer, tell security. Challenge them.

Now we have to assume they are fine. But it's ok, we can report them after they have hurt someone.

Awesome.

Or you can report them doing the act of doing anything harmful, regardless of their gender or sex. Minding their own business while using a bathroom is not harmful.

For people who go on and on about how you wish to "get rid of gender stereotypes", you simply can't rid yourselves of the stereotype that "males" are inherently sexual predators by default.

Guess what, for as long as you cling to that stereotype, you are not "abolishing stereotypes".

If it's a women by sex bathroom and they are transwomen it is harmful.

@NiceGerbil

Are you going to answer my questions.

I’m also waiting for CuriousPanda’s answer to my question about the niece in the toilet.

CuriousPanda wants men to be allowed to use female pronouns. I’m guessing they didn’t read (or understand) the Pronouns are Rohypnol piece fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

Male is a sex not a gender.

And reporting after the event is better than preventing that happening in the first place?

Cool.

By the way I assume you know that sex offences are massively underreported and rarely prosecuted.

@CuriousPanda

For people who go on and on about how you wish to "get rid of gender stereotypes", you simply can't rid yourselves of the stereotype that "males" are inherently sexual predators by default.

Guess what, for as long as you cling to that stereotype, you are not "abolishing stereotypes".

It's not a stereotype it's a fact. Globally and for millennia.

Male will always be a sex.

Men's prisons 78k inmates

Womens 3.4k

By sex. Not gender.

Denying male violence is pathetic

@CuriousPanda

For people who go on and on about how you wish to "get rid of gender stereotypes", you simply can't rid yourselves of the stereotype that "males" are inherently sexual predators by default.

Guess what, for as long as you cling to that stereotype, you are not "abolishing stereotypes".

Men are not predators by default. Hope that helps.

Would you be happy with your sister / daughter / neice / mother sharing a toilet / dorm room / prison cell with a man? If not, why not?

@IsItAKindofDream
^CuriousPanda wants men to be allowed to use female pronouns. I’m guessing they didn’t read (or understand) the Pronouns are Rohypnol piece fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/^

Yeah, I know you've got lots of long-winded concocted essays on why your persistent bigotry is actually a-ok.

@NiceGerbil

And reporting after the event is better than preventing that happening in the first place?

Cool.

By the way I assume you know that sex offences are massively underreported and rarely prosecuted.

Before is ideal, as soon as you get any indication of danger other that "I think this is a male". Report people for things they're actually doing instead of playing some sex-based Minority Report bullshit.

Why does this feel very much like mansplaining?

Gender critical means we do not subscribe to your gender theory.

We believe in sex.

We don't believe in stereotypes.

You are the one bringing up stereotypes.

We rely on facts not feelings.

Real stuff.

@IsItAKindofDream
^CuriousPanda wants men to be allowed to use female pronouns. I’m guessing they didn’t read (or understand) the Pronouns are Rohypnol piece fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/^

By the way, you could make literally the same argument for gendered clothes. "Oh, it might be confusing, that's why we need to uphold strict dress code"

@Chickenyhead

Why does this feel very much like mansplaining?

Gender critical means we do not subscribe to your gender theory.

We believe in sex.

We don't believe in stereotypes.

You are the one bringing up stereotypes.

We rely on facts not feelings.

Real stuff.

No, it means you hate trans people and want to force them to abide by the "sex-based" gender categories in accordance with their "birth sex" lol.

You know, just like how patriarchy has always done to men and women alike.

[quote CuriousPanda]@IsItAKindofDream
^CuriousPanda wants men to be allowed to use female pronouns. I’m guessing they didn’t read (or understand) the Pronouns are Rohypnol piece fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/^

Yeah, I know you've got lots of long-winded concocted essays on why your persistent bigotry is actually a-ok.[/quote]
For those without the time to read that piece, here’s an example of something to think about:

“He followed the 9-year old girl into the toilet”
“She followed the 9-year old girl into the toilet”.
Do those phrases make you feel different? Why?

Curious - thanks for giving us a good opportunity to share the basics again with the lurkers.

Oh, and of course, "facts not feelings", nice Ben Shapiro mantra, you sure love to borrow arguments and talking points from anti-feminist conservatives.

@IsItAKindofDream
^“He followed the 9-year old girl into the toilet”
“She followed the 9-year old girl into the toilet”.
Do those phrases make you feel different? Why?^

Literally stereotypes in action.

Happy for all trans people to have third safe spaces tailored to their specific needs.

Not at the expense of women.

No idea who Ben Shapiro is.

But whatever.

[quote CuriousPanda]@IsItAKindofDream
^CuriousPanda wants men to be allowed to use female pronouns. I’m guessing they didn’t read (or understand) the Pronouns are Rohypnol piece fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/^

By the way, you could make literally the same argument for gendered clothes. "Oh, it might be confusing, that's why we need to uphold strict dress code"[/quote]
What are gendered clothes?
Many groups and cultures have men wearing skirts or dress-like items - kilts, sarongs, cassocks, longyi etc.
You don’t sound very culturally aware.