Is being trans a choice?

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Spotted in Does anyone ever wonder how this will end? Thought it might be worth its own thread. Maybe not. We'll see.

Thank you for getting back to me CuriousPanda

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-05/california-prisons-consider-gender-identity-housing-requests%3f_amp=true

According to the article above, it seems that they suspect that non-trans men are pretending to be trans to get into women’s prisons.

There also seems to be a lawsuit where a transwoman is accused of raping a female inmate in the prison (and of multiple sexual assaults). See below.

news.wttw.com/2020/02/19/lawsuit-female-prisoner-says-she-was-raped-transgender-inmate

According to the article I posted previously, (previous post) the inmates are 8 in a single cell and the majority or transwomen are attracted to women.

Then there are the frequent erections at these transwomen seem to still have their penises.

To be honest, as a woman, I would not like to share a room with people who were getting erections, fancied me/the other women and might be wanking in the middle of the night. And that is before we are talking about actual sexual harassment/assault (see rape case above).

CuriousPanda, do you see why I worry about these women?

I don’t want to ask you if you have a penis (that is a very intrusive question) but for women, a penis (especially an erect one) can be uncomfortable/threatening, especially if you have been subject to sexual assault.

I look at stories like this and wonder why the trans lobby aren't more concerned with fighting genuine cases of discrimination than with defending the indefensible.

Just because something is about "trans" doesn't mean you have to put all your brain cells in a box to one side.

This story is about a transwoman facing genuinely appalling discrimination. And yet we have TRAs defending Drag Queen Story Hour when participants where found out to be paedophiles, TRAs defending the WiSpa incident, and TRAs insisting women share jail cells with pre-op transwomen who commit sexual and violent crimes at the same rate as the general male population.

If TRAs were to fight for what is right and not simply what is trans, I could get on board.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/transgender-magician-cancels-shows-over-24538183.amp

WTAF now that's ridiculous.

Magically force people to be trans? I've heard everything now.

That is a sad story. And genuine discrimination. Why aren't the trans lobby fighting cases like this, rather than trying to destroy women's safeguards.

It baffles me 🤔

That is awful Grombles. I hope that transgender magician will launch a hefty lawsuit. Nothing can ever justify treating anyone worse based on appearance or, indeed, gender. I would definitely sign any petition to launch an investigation into how this was allowed to happen and to punish the responsible.

I don't understand why your average person can look at this story and say "that's appalling", and yet TRAs can't look at WiSpa or women's genuine experiences of sharing prisons with transwomen and say the same...

Why the dogged insistence of defending anything that's crammed into the "trans" box.

Surely trans people and their allies should want to distance themselves from paedophiles and perverts.

It's baffling.

And BOOM!

Here we have it.

Wherever something happens that gets a lot of attention, ideas shift further into the 'let's alienate another load of ordinary people' zone.

'Your problem is focusing on people's sex rather than on their actions, acting like someone's sex makes someone inherently dangerous.'

This one has been trickling along in the background but seems to be much more prominent during and following the wispa thing.

Interestingly the idea that
Male violence is a 'dog whistle' and comment above, are the same as the MRA argument that has been around for yonks. That the term male violence is in unfair, NAMALT, it's a people problem not a male problem, you can't tar them all with the same brush. And of course, women do it too, which has been picked up as a trans argument since at least Karen white.

Well well well.

Keep your eyes out for this folks!

You see if males with trans identities do the things that 'never happen' and it's happening in ways that will obviously make most people think WTF.

The next step can only be to say that it's not fair on anyone male to recognise the global historical experience of male on female oppression and violence esp sexual violence. All the public 'safety' info, our own experiences, the fact that news seems to be almost always one way when it comes to sexually motivated crime and overt or more subtle sexually motivated awful behaviour to women and girls. All over the world all the time including CSA, mass rape in war etc, girls being bombarded with requests for nudes on social media. The constant stream of entertainment media reinforcing that men raping women is just something that happens because we are essentially prey...

All of that must be ignored because it's not fair for women and girls to ingest all this and then be wary if a man approaches them when no one is around, should not have concern about situations where they would not worry if it was a woman etc.

Sooooo... Now, acceptance of TWAW means ignoring everything we know about men, and treating and reacting to all men as we do with women... (The vast vast majority of women do risk assess differently).

If that isn't an out and out MRA move then I don't know what is.