Question re relationships with trans people

[2021ismyyear]

Twitter is full of people that are prepared to defend trans rights at any cost. I’ve seen some hideous things written about people that believe otherwise. The insults against jk Rowling were hard to read. We saw it the other day when maya won her appeal case. People over ran social media with insults against “TERFS” etc.

I assume these people would have zero issue dating a trans person in that case? If trans women are women and sex doesn’t matter and it’s widely accepted that you can switch gender, then will those people start dating trans people? Will we see more women dating trans men for example? Will tinder do away with any search filters?

If not… why?

Because the average person on Twitter isn't actually that bothered about people who are trans, it is an anti-woman cloak to hid behind.

Woke in the streets

Terf between the sheets

Its fine saying twaw and tmam but how many dates have they been on

Would Little OJ have a sexual relationship with a transman do we think? If not, why not. They can talk the talk but no way in hell will they walk the walk.

Don't forget that bloke who tweeted " Transwomen are women, except for relationship purposes".

Not sure what your point is? There's not going to be one single yes or no answer to cover this entire cohort of people. But people do date trans people and lots of trans people are in relationships, so if you're trying to suggest trans people are somehow fundamentally undateable you're very wrong.

Ultimately however, why does it matter? You shouldn't have to want to f*ck someone before you're prepared to defend their human rights. "You can only stand up for trans people if you personally would shag one" is a weird claim to make.

@MingeofDeath

Don't forget that bloke who tweeted " Transwomen are women, except for relationship purposes".

It’s not just “standing up” for them though. It’s a belief that there is zero difference between women and trans women. If that’s true, then they should be prepared to date one, no?

The pool of people that date trans people is tiny compared to the pool of people that believe “trans women are women” if social media is anything g to go by

@2021ismyyear

It’s not just “standing up” for them though. It’s a belief that there is zero difference between women and trans women. If that’s true, then they should be prepared to date one, no?

The pool of people that date trans people is tiny compared to the pool of people that believe “trans women are women” if social media is anything g to go by

Do you think anyone who stands up for gay rights should have to personally date a gay man?

I think the gay argument is a bit silly here. Nobody is claiming that gay men and straight men are exactly the same thing. They aren’t. That is widely recognised. Therefore it would be really silly to suggest that by standing up for gay rights you should be willing to date a gay person.

You shouldn't have to want to fck someone before you're prepared to defend their human rights. "You can only stand up for trans people if you personally would shag one" is a weird claim to make.*

A weird claim to make is "transwomen are women".

You don't need to want to shag transwomen to see how trans activism is harming women and transwomen.

Didn't little oj write some blurb about lesbians

Then when asked if he'd get up close and personal with female genitals if the owner ID as male.

He was outraged by the homophobia...

Not sure what your point is?

That's clear, given that you completely missed it.

@GNCQ

You shouldn't have to want to fck someone before you're prepared to defend their human rights. "You can only stand up for trans people if you personally would shag one" is a weird claim to make.*

A weird claim to make is "transwomen are women".

You don't need to want to shag transwomen to see how trans activism is harming women and transwomen.

???

Loads of men want to fuck women

And they as a group don't stand up for our rights in any way!

I'm confused by this point.

Not really sure what you’re trying to say? You think people that defend trans rights won’t date them? Erm well I’m sure some would and some wouldn’t, it doesn’t change what they are saying about their human rights. I would date a trans man if they were funny and good looking.

The point is that there's plenty of examples of lesbians being advised that to rule out dating transwomen is transphobic.

That's the point.

I think some people are missing the point. There are MANY people that claim there is zero difference between me and and a trans women. We should both have rights to go to women’s refuges, prisons and spas. People are arguing that is their trans peoples right to be treated exactly like I get treated, as a woman.

Yet they would be unwilling to date a trans women themselves. I’m asking why? Why are there so few people that would be willing to sleep with a trans woman?

@NiceGerbil

The point is that there's plenty of examples of lesbians being advised that to rule out dating transwomen is transphobic.

That's the point.

Weird if that's OP's point since that's not what she said at all

@NiceGerbil

The point is that there's plenty of examples of lesbians being advised that to rule out dating transwomen is transphobic.

That's the point.

That wasn’t in the op though? It read to me that op was saying “these people that defend trans rights I bet they wouldn’t actually date them because trans people = undateable” I could be wrong of course I’m not trying to be contrary but that’s genuinely how the post came across to me.

Ah ok there is a lot of history around this and lesbians. Worth looking into.

Understand if you're not aware of it.

Yeah the lesbian thing is part of the whole argument. I think people just like arguing and jump on bandwagons. You see it all the time… one minute it’s all #bekind and the next they are writing abuse against someone they hate on love island.

I think there are huge amounts of people online that are willing to abuse people like jk Rowling and shout “TERF” and TWAW very loudly! But they would be unwilling to date a trans person and the reason why? It doesn’t sexually float their boat… deep down they don’t see TW the same as W.

@2021ismyyear

I think some people are missing the point. There are MANY people that claim there is zero difference between me and and a trans women. We should both have rights to go to women’s refuges, prisons and spas. People are arguing that is their trans peoples right to be treated exactly like I get treated, as a woman.

Yet they would be unwilling to date a trans women themselves. I’m asking why? Why are there so few people that would be willing to sleep with a trans woman?

I don’t think people are claiming there is zero difference, just that both fall under the category of woman? If a trans woman is fleeing domestic violence where is she supposed to go if not a women’s refuge?

Trans people are deffo “dateable” I know a few myself that are in happy relationships. but I’m saying that most trans activists would not be willing to date a trans person themselves despite on the set face saying that there is zero difference between women and trans women or men and trans men.

OP, you seem to be talking about a very large and diverse group of people, basically anyone who's ever stood up for trans rights on social media. Of course some of them would date trans people, or are dating one, or have dated one. Equally, some of them might not, for various reasons. Some of them might be unavailable for dating, in which case the question is irrelevant. It's really honestly strange you think there's going to be a single yes or no answer to your question. And even stranger you seem pretty convinced the answer is no, when it's actually highly likely that some people who have trans partners would also be people who'd be prepared to speak up about trans rights on twitter. And it's even stranger you seem to think a person can only care about equality for a minority group if they're sexually attracted to that minority group.

I agree OP's point is about putting your money where your mouth is. PPs beat me to it with the guy who said TWAW except when it comes to having sex with one.

@2021ismyyear

Trans people are deffo “dateable” I know a few myself that are in happy relationships. but I’m saying that most trans activists would not be willing to date a trans person themselves despite on the set face saying that there is zero difference between women and trans women or men and trans men.

You're saying that based on zero evidence, though.