Question re relationships with trans people

[2021ismyyear]

Twitter is full of people that are prepared to defend trans rights at any cost. I’ve seen some hideous things written about people that believe otherwise. The insults against jk Rowling were hard to read. We saw it the other day when maya won her appeal case. People over ran social media with insults against “TERFS” etc.

I assume these people would have zero issue dating a trans person in that case? If trans women are women and sex doesn’t matter and it’s widely accepted that you can switch gender, then will those people start dating trans people? Will we see more women dating trans men for example? Will tinder do away with any search filters?

If not… why?

Regular-

There are plenty of people saying there is no difference

Hth

If you think there is then you can choose from being called

Genitally obsessed
A genital fetishist (if you are female who is homosexual)
A biological essentialist
A t**f

That sort of thing

If they are fully transitioned why would it be an issue, love shouldn't be that shallow.

@Regularsizedrudy

Not really sure what you’re trying to say? You think people that defend trans rights won’t date them? Erm well I’m sure some would and some wouldn’t, it doesn’t change what they are saying about their human rights. I would date a trans man if they were funny and good looking.

No, I think the people who shout TERFS and TWAW the loudest are probably very firm in the belief of who they should date. Like a certain man who shouts TWAW but knows exactly who to look for so he can become a Daddy.

It seems you think that one can only support trans rights if they also buy into TERF name calling and TWAW.

No. So if I came across a trans person being abused in the street I would help… I’d call the police and help as much as I safely could. It’s human nature to help people in distress.

BUT I don’t believe or claim that TW are W. I would not date a trans person myself. I’m not attracted to trans men. I can still stand up for a humans rights and make that call to the police to stop any abuse.

I think people that truly believe TWAW should be willing to date/marry trans people

@2021ismyyear

No. So if I came across a trans person being abused in the street I would help… I’d call the police and help as much as I safely could. It’s human nature to help people in distress.

BUT I don’t believe or claim that TW are W. I would not date a trans person myself. I’m not attracted to trans men. I can still stand up for a humans rights and make that call to the police to stop any abuse.

I think people that truly believe TWAW should be willing to date/marry trans people

What if they're already married?

Seriously, this is such a bizarre conversation. "Oh you think trans women are women? Prove it by f*cking one". Like call me strange, but I don't think men should be encouraged to only support equality for women they consider effable.

For more info-

People often male say TWAW and so female people who say erm. People with penises do not belong in places where they did not used to be, for reasons of privacy, safety, comfort etc. The answer is that's transphobic because TWAW.

How many of these men if straight would feel the same way about their sex life including dick is well. Straight men usually don't do dick as I'm sure we're all aware.

Hypocrisy.

Of course everyone can date who they want. That goes without saying surely.

Also, don't the trans people get a say in this? Bold of you to assume they'd want to date you.

don’t think people are claiming there is zero difference, just that both fall under the category of woman? If a trans woman is fleeing domestic violence where is she supposed to go if not a women’s refuge?

In what way does a male transwoman fall into the,same category as a person of the female,sex? What do they have in common with this group that other males don't have? As to refuges , why would.a male person trans or otherwise go to a female only refuge?

'Like call me strange, but I don't think men should be encouraged to only support equality for women they consider effable.'

You can say fuck! It's fine.

This is the second time you've suggested that men support those they want to fuck. This one is more roundabout but same idea. It implies that straight men support women plenty so it's not right to have an idea they should only support those they want to fuck.

In my experience straight men as a group do little to support women especially those they want to fuck. In fact they enact laws and push social norms and behave in ways that actively detriment women. Especially those they want to fuck.

But lots of people ARE willing to date/marry trans people so I don’t understand your point?

@334bu

*don’t think people are claiming there is zero difference, just that both fall under the category of woman? If a trans woman is fleeing domestic violence where is she supposed to go if not a women’s refuge?*

In what way does a male transwoman fall into the,same category as a person of the female,sex? What do they have in common with this group that other males don't have? As to refuges , why would.a male person trans or otherwise go to a female only refuge?

Same reason anyone else goes to a refuge. Because they've been made homeless or been abused or raped or assaulted, and are seeking a place of safety.

@BlueberryCheezecake

Also, don't the trans people get a say in this? Bold of you to assume they'd want to date you.

Well the push is the other way round if you look at the situation with homosexual female humans.

The OPs point is that many, possibly most, of the people testicularly screaming at women for not agreeing that twaw dont actually believe it themselfs.
Its a mantra that the movement demands be repeted (but not actually believed).
Another example thats even funnier of the non belief of the true believers is the irony that if tw were actually w, no one would really give a shit about them.

I must have missed why refuges came into this conversation?

Sorry. Can anyone point me to the post?

Blue I am not sure if you are genuinely not understanding or just being disingenuous. I suspect the latter.

It's a bit of a Shag, Marry, Avoid type situation (i.e. absolutely hypothetical).

@334bu

*don’t think people are claiming there is zero difference, just that both fall under the category of woman? If a trans woman is fleeing domestic violence where is she supposed to go if not a women’s refuge?*

In what way does a male transwoman fall into the,same category as a person of the female,sex? What do they have in common with this group that other males don't have? As to refuges , why would.a male person trans or otherwise go to a female only refuge?

What are you on about “male transwoman”?
Lots of trans women look like stereotypical women and if they have fully transitioned they will have breasts and vagina so surely it makes sense for these people to go to a women’s refuge?

I think some posters are missing a lot of context here and agree without that, OPs post seems very peculiar.

@NiceGerbil

'Like call me strange, but I don't think men should be encouraged to only support equality for women they consider effable.'

You can say fuck! It's fine.

This is the second time you've suggested that men support those they want to fuck. This one is more roundabout but same idea. It implies that straight men support women plenty so it's not right to have an idea they should only support those they want to fuck.

In my experience straight men as a group do little to support women especially those they want to fuck. In fact they enact laws and push social norms and behave in ways that actively detriment women. Especially those they want to fuck.

I'm not suggesting men support those they want to fuck. I'm saying the opposite, that it's extremely weird to insist people can only support people they'd be prepared to fuck - and that in general, this seems like a bad thing to insist on, since I wouldn't think much of the support of a man who only believes in equality for women he finds personally attractive.

*Same reason anyone else goes to a refuge. Because they've been made homeless or been abused or raped or assaulted, and are seeking a place of safety.

Ok but why are they not in the male refuge as transwomen are male?

I know it can’t be proven but I’m willing to bet for every 1000 people on Twitter that are arguing that there is no difference between me and a trans woman. We should both compete together in sport. Go to the same refuges. Use the same changing rooms etc. There will be a tiny percentage of that group that are willing to tick the box on tinder that says “show me everything!”

Only we ourselves know deep down what we fancy…. Blondes, black men, red headed women, thin people, fake boobs etc. It’s about personal preference. I guarantee that most of those 1000 people won’t want to date a trans person. Sure there will be some. But a straight man… by admitting that you would never date a trans person, you don’t want to have sexual with them, it’s a turn off… you cannot say TWAW.

What does a stereotypical woman look like?

And why would that mean that they would be what. More likely to be in a relationship with a lesbian or straight man then those who don't look stereotypical?

That's a hell of a high bar.
It's also iffy because looking like a stereotype of either sex does not automatically mean you're more likely to be attractive.
The idea that full transition will improve your dating prospects I think is s really poor message. The surgery is massive and risky. Undergoing all that should not be encouraged by suggesting it's going to make you more likely to get a partner.

@BlueberryCheezecake
Oh no you seem to have missed my post that explains what the OP is saying, here it is again

The OPs point is that many, possibly most, of the people testicularly screaming at women for not agreeing that twaw dont actually believe it themselfs.
Its a mantra that the movement demands be repeted (but not actually believed).
Another example thats even funnier of the non belief of the true believers is the irony that if tw were actually w, no one would really give a shit about them.

Your welcome.

@2021ismyyear

I know it can’t be proven but I’m willing to bet for every 1000 people on Twitter that are arguing that there is no difference between me and a trans woman. We should both compete together in sport. Go to the same refuges. Use the same changing rooms etc. There will be a tiny percentage of that group that are willing to tick the box on tinder that says “show me everything!”

Only we ourselves know deep down what we fancy…. Blondes, black men, red headed women, thin people, fake boobs etc. It’s about personal preference. I guarantee that most of those 1000 people won’t want to date a trans person. Sure there will be some. But a straight man… by admitting that you would never date a trans person, you don’t want to have sexual with them, it’s a turn off… you cannot say TWAW.

Again, this is totally baseless and not something you could possibly know. You're just projecting your assumptions.

Dyslek is saying what I want to say in a much much clearer way!

@2021ismyyear

I know it can’t be proven but I’m willing to bet for every 1000 people on Twitter that are arguing that there is no difference between me and a trans woman. We should both compete together in sport. Go to the same refuges. Use the same changing rooms etc. There will be a tiny percentage of that group that are willing to tick the box on tinder that says “show me everything!”

Only we ourselves know deep down what we fancy…. Blondes, black men, red headed women, thin people, fake boobs etc. It’s about personal preference. I guarantee that most of those 1000 people won’t want to date a trans person. Sure there will be some. But a straight man… by admitting that you would never date a trans person, you don’t want to have sexual with them, it’s a turn off… you cannot say TWAW.

You’ve just made that number up though but even if it is correct I don’t think it proves anything in your favour though. I would date a trans man but I probably wouldn’t if they didn’t have a penis. That doesn’t mean I suddenly don’t care about the trans men that don’t have penises.