Article about WiSpa incident *title edited by MNHQ*

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www.losangelesblade.com/2021/07/07/alleged-trans-incident-at-upscale-la-spa-may-have-been-staged/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&cf_chl_jschl_tk=5829536c8d2fa7597130f41074d1ff4ddc091aee-1625785481-0-AcMexoncOasqbydtxZLnvW3kf86pvnmRUcmnFRJO3kDQTTPi3WE1pqsYEciE_bUv0_NrLqCEBB07kbXA9xARnFe7KkItHOoJesYdjEC6fhZlzSdZR5jNea3Hx86Run4GtO5awEU3NnavY0JvTjYrnAVNCm8tEidf1SMMw3N5siRBk8qD1VNkFgE5cpMkcjvQeRQOADtTSBAxPmJBCYcnt9-8vGTpjCqttCRHPJpNcOTVZ1yeJUoMKwXTMHx6TYPRXfLtl9iMGeP4hL9uTYPEGTlrpO9oNuwAKavdw2-gxpOKI_xUiq2v9Du5DREcmzRyp0Hbw663FPxWtUH30wzqS_uBK7ghaCwgVJq80Jqm_6IrKuwhmZZ8v63Pz43HNOLM_Z_LDzQaSLaudEQf8hcoUFVdcbQMtr1ZG0MPaesDmdB4iEDbdrdpR_yjmAZ0Pv1v151venXcbcYpUYyEtdcU8_kRH-iv2XYtf7vdtY_vfuu3DyzzvhXUk31-zNSYJlPMkVbHzQkZkuQMw4yQy7XsOSaoMPKRTgsJORo6DtRdu5NMqMu8190zks0sRxJeosg8KWSjnO33FKQXycbDay-9eGQagXI2tsfaurfG3jb2p3SV-f8fzRSwfCOf8C9-TmWrow#Echobox=1625710145

Written by a trans researcher under a pseudonym

Even your link title just claims that it 'may' have been staged. As I see some sort of Terf reference (used as a slur), it is obviously spin by ideologues. Probably some sort of TRA/ MRA ideologue or fellow traveller who wrote that?

You need to change your incorrect title from 'was staged' to tra/mra article is trying to pretend it was staged because it highlights what happens/ could happen when safeguarding measures aren't applied equally to all males.

Maybe the police could investigate the vicious thugs who we saw ferociously kicking a lad as he lay on the ground. Or the hooligan who smashed their skateboard into someone's skull and left them streaming blood. Or why any male is now in a position to expose themselves to women and children.

twitter.com/msediewyatt/status/1413007992484601864?s=20

If it was staged, then presumably it's not something that TRAs think could even be likely? Despite campaigning for it and getting it legalised ?

What a waste of everyone's time and money.

What a ridiculous article. "It also remains a possibility that there was a person, unknown to the Wi Spa staff, who pretended to be transgender to create an inciting incident." Wait a minute--I thought it was 100 percent legitimate for transgender ladies to enter hot tubs and spread their legs in front of 9 year olds to share their virile glory in front of little girls. Didn't the Los Angeles Times just say this was totally fine? Didn't Antifa smack women around with skateboards and tell them to go home to prove this very point? How could this possibly be an "inciting incident"? This is something that trans right advocates have fiercely proclaimed is just the kind of thing that they stand for. And if a little girl is surprised by the sight of what was formerly known as male genitalia inches from her face, then it's on her to look away, or Laurie Penney will scold her for being rude.

Well, she won't pretend for anyone that a naked male (with a slightly erect penis) in the women's and girls' single sex space, is anything other than indecent exposure. Even in face of the lies and intimidation; or propaganda as posted on this very thread.

Whoever wrote this is pretending that it never happened.
Why? Isn’t this exactly what they are fighting for, to allow women no rights to single sex space?
Why doesn’t the author defend the trans person’s right to go into the women’s section and be naked, the whole of the trans rights campaign is that a transwoman is literally a woman.
They must be lying because they feel that they were loosing the argument and they are wriggling to find a way out of answering what is basically the Staniland question- should a male bodied person be allowed to undress in front of girls.

If it was staged why are all the TRAs defending it on Twitter?
If it was staged why did the spa manager take part?
If it was staged why were those other customers in robes in the background all taking part?
If it was staged why was that man defending exposed penis to the woman speaking in the video?
If it was staged why was that other customer asking for her money back?

They must be lying because they feel that they were loosing the argument and they are wriggling to find a way out of answering what is basically the Staniland question- should a male bodied person be allowed to undress in front of girls.

Good point! It wasn’t going down too well so, damage control

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trans-rights-wi-spa-exposure-b1880610.html

According to the Independent, the incident was never officially reported to the LAPD, and it's purely LGBTQ activists who claim that 'anonymous sources within the LAPD say there is no corroborating evidence'.

It also remains a possibility that there was a person, unknown to the Wi Spa staff, who pretended to be transgender to create an inciting incident." Wait a minute...

Also forgetting their own rules there...

As we were reminded tonight on a now deleted thread, apparently no predator is going to go through all that hassle of pretending they're a woman just to access women and girls...

So this person either was a TW (but they can't be, because that never happens), or they're someone pretending to be a woman to get their dick out in front of kids (which also can't be because that will also never happen).

🤯 They tie themselves in knots with this bullshit, no wonder they've gone for the misogynistic "women are devious little liars making their false allegations again" option. Much easier than trying to explain their own logic.

Oh they've totally shat themselves that the open noncery didn't go over as well as they blinkeredly thought it would, so now it's row-back to Alex Jones level tinhattery to cover their arses.
I expect Laurie Penny will return to Twitter with a triumphant amnesiac moment where she forgets she was all 'knobs out for the kids!' and spearheads a new 'Women's testimonies are untrustworthy' movement.

Tis feministe, tres forward.

Laughable bullshit. You're not on the right side, you numpties. Climb downs can be embarrassing, sure, but you must see the bright light at the end of the tunnel isn't the end of the tunnel it's a reality train coming to flatten you? Good fucking grief.

Wi Spa will obviously be making sure that EVERYONE knows this then?

Because it is their business after all.

But oh no, they aren't denying anything, despite the massive negative publicity and protests.

It is so transparent, it is embarrassing.

So many logic fails in this "article." Where even to begin?

Waving a penis around in a women's spa area is legal in California if the penis haver identifies as a transwoman. Why, therefore, would the absence of a police report indicate that the incident is fabricated? After all, the conduct complained about is 100% legal under California law.

There is this TA review from 2018

OP, glad you came to start a new thread about this since the last one filled up. No one answered the extremely important question this raised. I will ask you now too.

So, both the women who have now reported this are lying? Why? The mother of the six year old gave dates and even had two guest passes from wi spa that wi spa have not denied....

So... this has 'never happened' at the wi spa LA twice now.

And the fact that Californian law prevents being able to discriminate against males entering into female single sex spaces would mean their was no point in reporting to the police didn’t occur to you reading this article. Also the fact that they were not getting a ‘treatment’ just slipping into the spa. With the nine year old. No need to book any treatments so nice bit of sleight of hand being done as well.

Either way, this completely defeats the point. It is more distraction and deflecting. No one even knows if this person was trans or not really. Only that they felt they fully able and entitled to access that section of the spa.

To anyone coming to tell us it is all staged, instead of posting this waffle why not answer the safeguarding issue which is the issue in question. Let’s keep the focus on the real issue.

Is it acceptable for any naked male with a penis to get into a hot tub with either a nine year old girl or a six year old girl present?

Either it is a beautiful moment of bonding when a delicate transwoman rocks on up naked to a hot tub and displays her wares to little girls, or it is some ridiculous scenario dreamed up by trans opponent. But it ain't both.

Just to make it easier for readers unfamiliar with the incident.

twitter.com/stillgray/status/1408997169344909313?s=21

From this thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4281706-pushback-at-wi-spa-in-los-angeles

The footage of the violence at the protests covered here:

mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1411391998649532418

twitter.com/realjamesklug/status/1411396387598598149?s=21

I am sure all activists are very concerned about the welfare for those injured and those harassed and intimidated. No?

We have had prominent feminists such as Laurie Penny declare that it is the 9 year old’s fault and they should not be looking at people’s penises in the female section of the spa where people are nude.

We have males claim that their trans bodies need normalized so penises in female sections of the spa are unremarkable. As said by a male at a similar incident in a different spa reported here in this tweet.

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1412107235195555842

And here is a woman claiming it happened to her and her six year old at the same place last year.

We have had people on other threads though attempt to discredit her story by saying that she is not credible because of her wording.

because ’she said she went nude with her daughter to be "culturally with it" because that's what Koreans do.

Apparently means she is not worthy of being allowed to voice her story. Just like this woman, Angel, because she is a Christian, posts Christian values posts, is apparently anti-feminist, so as a devout Christian would lie and stand up at a press conference with a pastor and continue that lie.

Eresh kindly posted this me link to the press conference above. Just repeating it here for convenience. We know this thread will get very busy too.

twitter.com/msediewyatt/status/1413007992484601864?s=20

Hope that helps everyone catch up.

But the real issue is the safeguarding question. That is all it comes down to. Despite many posters ignoring it. And some feeling uncomfortable and accusing me of posting it on a loop (because they couldn’t bring themselves to answer it).

And if you cannot answer it quickly and succinctly, ask yourself why.

Is it acceptable for any naked male with a penis to get into a hot tub with either a nine year old girl or a six year old girl already in the tub.?

I'm increasingly perturbed by this extension of the 'crisis actors' belief to other arenas of activity.

"Significantly, Arendt does not contrast the blank, unvarnished truth with fantastical, malicious lies. Rather, she identifies two distinct ways that people can fail to act truthfully. One, a “passive susceptibility to falling prey to error, illusion, the distortions of memory...” and, the other, the “active, aggressive capacity” to “deny in thought and word whatever happens to be the case.”

The upshot of this is that it allows Arendt to relate systematic untruth robustly to human action. “A characteristic of human action,” Arendt writes, “is that it always begins something new.... In order to make room for one's own action, something that was there before must be removed or destroyed, and things as they were before are changed.” But “such change would be impossible,” she tells us, “if we could not mentally remove ourselves from where we physically are located and imagine that things might as well be different from what they actually are.” “In other words,” Arendt claims, “the deliberate denial of factual truth – the ability to lie – and the capacity to change facts – the ability to act – are interconnected: they owe their existence to the same source: imagination.”"

www.logically.co.uk/blog/the-facts-are-not-enough

What kind of person would be dangling their bits in front of a roomful of women and girls who didn't want them there?
A perverted flasher.
Only someone who was getting pleasure from women's distress would persist in showing male genitalia to women who did not want to see it for such a long time that they were able to go up to the management and complain while he was still there.
Did that make the perverted flasher a transwoman?
Maybe they was and maybe they wasn't.
But according to the LAW, it didn't matter.
Letting flashers in is more important than keeping trans women out.

@chickenyhead

There is this TA review from 2018

Yep. The reality is almost everyone thinks a transwoman is a homosexual transsexual without a penis.

Fully intact heterosexual men who say they are women comes as a shock.

They have no idea that places like stonewall quietly included cross dressing and transvestism under the umbrella a few years back.

This is the result.

I don't know why the lack of a police report proves anything when activists have successfully lobbied the California government to make previously female only spaces mixed sex. No crime was committed, of course there won't be a police report.

We knew this never happens already.
Goes without saying it's false flag

The LA time said a possible solution might be separate areas for religious woman who can’t share spaces like this with men. So woman who are not religious, even those who have been sexually abused in the past, just either have to put up with it and say nothing - or else not use the facilities?

@unwashedanddazed

If it was staged why are all the TRAs defending it on Twitter? If it was staged why did the spa manager take part? If it was staged why were those other customers in robes in the background all taking part? If it was staged why was that man defending exposed penis to the woman speaking in the video? If it was staged why was that other customer asking for her money back?

This.

By saying it didn’t happen, they’ve undermined their own argument.

By saying it should be a police matter, they’re saying that visible penises in the womens section are a police matter. Great - I’m on board with that.