Article about WiSpa incident *title edited by MNHQ*

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www.losangelesblade.com/2021/07/07/alleged-trans-incident-at-upscale-la-spa-may-have-been-staged/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&cf_chl_jschl_tk=5829536c8d2fa7597130f41074d1ff4ddc091aee-1625785481-0-AcMexoncOasqbydtxZLnvW3kf86pvnmRUcmnFRJO3kDQTTPi3WE1pqsYEciE_bUv0_NrLqCEBB07kbXA9xARnFe7KkItHOoJesYdjEC6fhZlzSdZR5jNea3Hx86Run4GtO5awEU3NnavY0JvTjYrnAVNCm8tEidf1SMMw3N5siRBk8qD1VNkFgE5cpMkcjvQeRQOADtTSBAxPmJBCYcnt9-8vGTpjCqttCRHPJpNcOTVZ1yeJUoMKwXTMHx6TYPRXfLtl9iMGeP4hL9uTYPEGTlrpO9oNuwAKavdw2-gxpOKI_xUiq2v9Du5DREcmzRyp0Hbw663FPxWtUH30wzqS_uBK7ghaCwgVJq80Jqm_6IrKuwhmZZ8v63Pz43HNOLM_Z_LDzQaSLaudEQf8hcoUFVdcbQMtr1ZG0MPaesDmdB4iEDbdrdpR_yjmAZ0Pv1v151venXcbcYpUYyEtdcU8_kRH-iv2XYtf7vdtY_vfuu3DyzzvhXUk31-zNSYJlPMkVbHzQkZkuQMw4yQy7XsOSaoMPKRTgsJORo6DtRdu5NMqMu8190zks0sRxJeosg8KWSjnO33FKQXycbDay-9eGQagXI2tsfaurfG3jb2p3SV-f8fzRSwfCOf8C9-TmWrow#Echobox=1625710145

...which I realise is a statement of the bleedin' obvious. Or it should be obvious, I would have thought. It's almost as if some trans women are completely oblivious to the needs and feelings of women and girls.

@theThreeofWeevils

Chances are the penis-bearer is just a common-or-garden pervert taking advantage of the the 'cloak of untouchability', Open Sesame legislation which enables him to access all areas if he claims to be trans. But you know this, Steph. And you are being disingenuous to harp on treatment of the 'trans demographic ' (with the now almost obligatory, tedious and downright offensive Nazi comparisons) when what women are objecting to is men - any men - being able to enter what should be SEX-segregated spaces.

I think so too. I can't understand why the trans community and supposed allies aren't angrier with the guy in the video who ushered penis bearer under the wing of the trans community without asking anyone trans for permission!

@Steph751

P.s.Helleofabore, Do you honestly believe a person who is legally in a space that waves their genitalia in front of children is protected to the extent that their privacy overrides any potential investigation of a criminal offence? I really thought you had a point initially but that is just some bad faith nonsense. The sad thing is, as a result of that bad faith nonsense, two people have been stabbed and one had a gun pulled on them. Is that really where we are at? There isn't enough space to shake my head. Take care, I've lost hope.

Steph

We are told to believe unconditionally that people are who they say they are and certainly, wi spa said they could do nothing about it.

If they could do something about it, wouldn’t they have sent a female security person in straight away? We know it has happened before, too. It is likely that these two incidents are not the only ones but mothers simply grabbed their daughters previously and left.

I understand that you had your operation a long time ago. But I am telling you as a woman of a number of decades that I have also been programmed until recently, to simply not make a fuss.

Would I have gone to the police as a woman to report this knowing the spa would do nothing about it and knowing the person would simply say they were legally allowed access and simply was getting into the spa? No. I would not.

Because women are not believed on their accounts of rape. Why on earth do you suppose this would be any different at all? So, sorry if it makes no sense to what you believe about women, but no. I would doubt I would be believed over a male. Or if I was, that it would be a successful prosecution.

And following this incident, doubly so.

Far better to get the law changed and that next time the spa would send in security and retrieve the person.

but that is just some bad faith nonsense.

Yeah. Ok. You seem to have been the one posting on bad faith l, so I take this comment in the hypocritical tone it was written.

The sad thing is, as a result of that bad faith nonsense, two people have been stabbed and one had a gun pulled on them. Is that really where we are at? There isn't enough space to shake my head. Take care, I've lost hope.

And this is also not any female’s fault. At. all. Male violence is the responsibility of males.

Weevils - If there was a penis bearer who was waiving it around, I can only reiterate that those idiots who dress in blue uniforms and use their positions as some sort of macabre power trip really do need to sort their onions out. If it happened the perpetrator must be brought to book. Here we have a well controlled, enclosed public space which no doubt is dripping in CCTV and entrance records either computerised or otherwise.

If someone flashed around, trans or not, the LAPD have a duty to look into it. What I am sad to see is a furore based on hearsay that resulted in a death threat to someone who wasn't there, two people being stabbed at least one of which, believe it or not was GC and me and you procrastinating about semantics.

I don't consider myself an activist really but seeing some of the nonsense here I'm looking for my long lost bivvy and an 'I will not be moved' flag. I'm looking at my dog and even she's just shaking her head.

Did you look at the footage of the protests?

The crowd beating people up looked mostly like the people dressed in masks (not necessarily covid masks either) with heads covered chasing people with baseball bats and such. And intimidating the female protesters who were not violent.

Again. Male violence is the blame of those who are perpetuating it. Stop blaming the woman who released the video to the world for the actions of those being violent and threatening violence.

Just fucking stop with that!

Yes. Stop it.

If men watch a video of a woman complaining about inappropriate behaviour in a spa and decide to react with violence, that's on them.

The lady at the spa did not pack a knife in any counter-protester's bag!

People (including your own) were stabbed as a result of GC rhetoric.

Don't be ridiculous. We aren't responsible for violent men.

Blaming women for male violence?

Because we speak out against flashers?

Really?

Yes really. Report it to mumsnet and call it out everywhere.

Fucking bullshit.

Aye, well, furores resulting in death threats are something prominent GC women are habituated to being on the receiving end of, sadly.
I am not 'procrastinating about semantics' at all unless you feel that drawing a distinction between 'trans woman' and 'common-or-garden pervert' is unduly pedantic, something which I would find very hard to believe.
You think female testimony hearsay and the LAPD are the problem here. I think it's probably men the legislation that allows intact biological males into female spaces for the mere whisper of a shibboleth.
Kindly flurfles to the dog.

Of course it's someone's fault.

She didn't say it wasn't anyone's fault. It's clearly the fault of the person who packed the knife, the person who got the knife out, and the person who stabbed someone with it.

Who on earth do you think wound him up into such a frenzy? I'm normally polite and engage in good faith but, don't you dare have the audacity to absolve yourself of or at least absolve the GC ideology of responsibility for what happened. The nerve of you is astounding.

No. How dare you. How dare you go down the traditional misogynist line that a man's violence is the fault of a woman for winding him up. The nerve of you. The sheer nerve.

How dare you.

@LadyFuHao

Blaming women for male violence?

Because we speak out against flashers?

Really?

Yep I am 100 % with this. Penis in with the kids… didn’t work out, so it’s all the nasty GC’s fault. God I’m tired of this.

A MAN indecently exposed himself in a female only spa area. A woman complained with others joining in. MORE MEN turned up to have a pointless fight.

Fuck all those men.

No. How dare you. How dare you go down the traditional misogynist line that a man's violence is the fault of a woman for winding him up. The nerve of you. The sheer nerve.

How dare you.

Well said. This isn't going to work here.

But apparently male violence isn't the perpetrator's fault, Eresh. Don't you understand? Seeing a youtube video made a man pack a knife (clear premeditation) and provoked him into using it.

Not his fault at all, a woman made him do it!

She "wound him up"!

What a load of nonsense. You just granted absolution to a man for bringing a knife to a demonstration and using it. We all saw you do it.

"I'm sorry you made me do this, it's for your own good"

When have the trans movement ever owned the KW debacle? Why are y

Accusing British mothers talking amongst themselves of inciting 'right wing' male violence in America is stretching credibility to say the least.

Oh I was going to say something extra about the GC rhetoric always being caught up in the “far right”. Never ever met a far right GC yet.

Thugs gonna thug. Don't fucking well blame us.
I rather doubt that the regular FWR posters are prone to posting selfies with baseball bats and the like. Some other alliance of people is quite keen on that kind of thing, though. Damn, the name was just on the tip of my tongue...