Article about WiSpa incident *title edited by MNHQ*

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www.losangelesblade.com/2021/07/07/alleged-trans-incident-at-upscale-la-spa-may-have-been-staged/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&cf_chl_jschl_tk=5829536c8d2fa7597130f41074d1ff4ddc091aee-1625785481-0-AcMexoncOasqbydtxZLnvW3kf86pvnmRUcmnFRJO3kDQTTPi3WE1pqsYEciE_bUv0_NrLqCEBB07kbXA9xARnFe7KkItHOoJesYdjEC6fhZlzSdZR5jNea3Hx86Run4GtO5awEU3NnavY0JvTjYrnAVNCm8tEidf1SMMw3N5siRBk8qD1VNkFgE5cpMkcjvQeRQOADtTSBAxPmJBCYcnt9-8vGTpjCqttCRHPJpNcOTVZ1yeJUoMKwXTMHx6TYPRXfLtl9iMGeP4hL9uTYPEGTlrpO9oNuwAKavdw2-gxpOKI_xUiq2v9Du5DREcmzRyp0Hbw663FPxWtUH30wzqS_uBK7ghaCwgVJq80Jqm_6IrKuwhmZZ8v63Pz43HNOLM_Z_LDzQaSLaudEQf8hcoUFVdcbQMtr1ZG0MPaesDmdB4iEDbdrdpR_yjmAZ0Pv1v151venXcbcYpUYyEtdcU8_kRH-iv2XYtf7vdtY_vfuu3DyzzvhXUk31-zNSYJlPMkVbHzQkZkuQMw4yQy7XsOSaoMPKRTgsJORo6DtRdu5NMqMu8190zks0sRxJeosg8KWSjnO33FKQXycbDay-9eGQagXI2tsfaurfG3jb2p3SV-f8fzRSwfCOf8C9-TmWrow#Echobox=1625710145

Here’s another solution: men are compelled to be more accepting of gender non conforming males in their spaces!

Staged or not the attitude exposed has been highly disturbing. Going so far as to blame a child for even being there despite the child friendly area showing that children are welcome.

This stuff is exactly what their policies allow and what activists have been defending the right to do fir years now.

I'm.so sick of the double standards.

We have to believe anyone who says they are woman is a woman or be deleted given strikes or even fired. But as soon.as a "woman " commits a crime they were never really trans therfore it never happened blah blah blah..

Why would anyone report it to the lapd when it's been made clear many a time that even police defend this stuff.

Oh ffs. Just...own your shit. Own the inevitable consequences of what you have been trying to push on women for years, you craven cowards.

"That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it."

This issue came up in Canada four years ago:

www.feministcurrent.com/2017/06/18/shouldnt-controversial-maintain-women-spaces/

Leading to this jaw droppingly awful, gaslighting libfem article on International Women's Day:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-this-international-womens-day-feminists-should-finally-accept/

I’m not alone in identifying the male member as the basic problem. Last June, the Toronto women’s spa Body Blitz told a potential client that trans women wanting to visit must have had gender reassignment surgery. I immediately found this unfair – while also understanding that the sight of a penis in a space reserved for women could be unexpected, even unappealing.
Bothered by the gap between my ideals and my discomfort, I considered the warmth and simple humanity of many trans women I’ve met. I thought not just about their traumas, but also how much they might enjoy the spa’s lovely water circuit, let alone a chance to feel recognized.
I realized I had to get over it: A penis is no big deal. Beyond that, demanding that anyone have surgery to be considered a real woman runs counter to every feminist ideal of informed, empowered choice.
Creating safe spaces for all women means beginning with those who need it most. Trans women literally embody the demand to determine our own destinies – and to them I say, happy IWD, ladies.

@super if those women don't mind the rest of us self-identifying as religious that could be a practical workaround. But that might not leave many women in the now mixed women's areas, so that wouldn't be very validating

So...

Video evidence of women reporting it to reception was a hoax

The male person who has claimed it was male person's self is lying

Previous situations which compares almost exactly would be fake

Protests in response to the most recent case were for kicks

I suppose the 9 year old girl doesn't exist?

I mean, I understand that denying reality is a common theme here...were the moon landings filmed in a studio at NASA? Ok.

Methinks Los Angeles Blade and Pink News might have similar agendas.
Both totally unbiased sources of " news"..?
Aye right!

I remember when crisis actors and false flags were just in the imaginations of Sandy Hook deniers.

It makes no sense to deny this is happening. It's what trans rights activists have been successfully campaigning for over many years. What happened at the Wi Spa is the utopia they wanted.

The usual nonsense.

Thank you OP for keeping this issue highlighted. Given the (small but noisy) number of people trying to deny that an adult male indecently exposed themselves to a child it's great to see the evidence so clearly laid out again.
Especially on a feminist board where we support and don't demonise women and children subject to acts of sexual harassment.

Lady-Alike-y Penis Defenders?

False flag, huh? So Biden's Brave New World is just Same Old Shit, but this time from the "progressive" left.

@SuperSleepyBaby

The LA time said a possible solution might be separate areas for religious woman who can’t share spaces like this with men. So woman who are not religious, even those who have been sexually abused in the past, just either have to put up with it and say nothing - or else not use the facilities?

Religious segregation - what a wonderful idea.

Religious segregation will lead to indirect race segregation. Wonder how that will go down with Kamala "bussed to school" Harris?

So much effort to discredit this person. Stinks of racism and misogyny.

And wispa allow males into the female area. So trying to discredit this woman doesn't change the facts does it.

Men will go to great lengths to access the bodies of women and children. Wispa have made that easy for them, offering women and children up on a plate: without their consent

The state of the people doing it too. Sally Hines. Arthur Chu.

We've had some reports about this thread and, having checked behind the scenes, we can see that the OP joined the site to post this thread and has since deregistered.

We're going to leave this to run for now as so many of you have taken the time to respond, but we just wanted to let you know that the OP won't be returning to discuss any of the points raised...

Thank you Dawn

Yes. Every person that comes and says ‘look who you align with’ needs to look at Arthur Chu and then look in the mirror.

Speaking of Sally Hines, I saw this from ger a few weeks ago.

I don't want anyone to "hush the fuck up" particularly people like Sally, who talk such abject nonsense that they're a gift to our side.

Thank you @DawnMumsnet
However, can you see the point we made here about why us being put on the naughty step and confining this discussion to this space is wrong?
You know there are people posting and joining in bad faith but we’re the ones that get pushed aside.

It's weird that they are claiming this is a hoax and never happened, when this kind of incident is not at all rare. I have a friend from Portland who went to a female only nude Korean spa and she was chatted up and touched by a transwoman with an erection. This was a couple of years ago.