LGBT parliamentary Discussion 1st July

[Cyclingmum50]

I thought this link might be of interest from yesterday's Parliamentary discussion

mobile.twitter.com/MhairiBlack/status/1410617488656633865

Great points. The religious right-wing community told people exactly what their strategy was (split T from LGB) and "gender critical" ideologues bought right into it.

It really doesn't matter whether you're intentionally supporting them or whether you're just a useful idiot for them.

How come a really high % of GC feminists are left wing?

The religious right-wing community

Such an important part of U.K. politics.

It really doesn't matter whether you're intentionally supporting them or whether you're just a useful idiot for them.

Because feminists aren’t capable of independent thought and haven’t been criticising gender for decades.

Your comment is just plain old fashioned sexist.

I don't use Twitter, is there a way of seeing the hidden replies?

@yeahbutnaw

Great points. The religious right-wing community told people exactly what their strategy was (split T from LGB) and "gender critical" ideologues bought right into it.

It really doesn't matter whether you're intentionally supporting them or whether you're just a useful idiot for them.

I'm a non-religious left winger and I fight for what I believe is right, fair and based on evidence, not what makes me look politically trendy, thank you.

Christ almighty what an idiot.

How can homosexual people not argue for a split of the T when biological males claim to be lesbians and biological females claim to be gay men?

These people are identifying into an oppressed group (homosexuals) who have been prosecuted for their sexuality for years. They still are in many countries.

And what does the US right wing religious idiot have to do with UK politics?

Pun intended.

Black is right. She should certainly carry shame for her lies, her misogyny, her arrogance and the damage she is doing to the attitudes toward LGB people by pushing her bullshit. She is a young woman who has grown up with the privilege of LGB people before her campaigning for the equalities she now enjoys and seeks to use to leverage more privileges for men, and more abuses against women and LGB people more widely.

She is truly despicable.

@BatmansBat

How can homosexual people not argue for a split of the T when biological males claim to be lesbians and biological females claim to be gay men?

These people are identifying into an oppressed group (homosexuals) who have been prosecuted for their sexuality for years. They still are in many countries.

And what does the US right wing religious idiot have to do with UK politics?

To be clear, "homosexual" is viewed as a pejorative and pathologising term by most of the community.

No it's not.
I am a homosexual.
To coin a phrase, deal with it.

She is a young woman who has grown up with the privilege of LGB people before her campaigning for the equalities she now enjoys and seeks to use to leverage more privileges for men, and more abuses against women and LGB people more widely.

But this isn’t about equality, it’s about riding roughshod over other people’s rights to assert your own identity. What could be more right wing?

However given that the SNP is fundamentally a nationalist party, maybe that shouldn’t be too surprising.

@FloralBunting

No it's not. I am a homosexual. To coin a phrase, deal with it.

Good for you. I am too. And it's not a mental disorder. Hence no need to refer to with a pathological descriptor.

Heterosexual isn't a pathologic descriptor, neither is bisexual, neither is homosexual.

You call yourself what you want. Given that you believe gender overrides sex, I've got no idea how you're defining homosexual there, for all I know, you may be a male attracted to females, so I really place no store in your opinion or desire to shut down people who are attracted to their own sex, particularly women, which seems to be a favourite pastime for you.

I will not be replying to you again, so please, feel free rail into the silence.

I am trying to understand here, do trans people think that homosexual is a derogatory term?

@BatmansBat

I am trying to understand here, do trans people think that homosexual is a derogatory term?

No, gay people do.

If you want people to respect your wishes not to call them Cis, it seems really inconsistent to force the label "homosexual" on people who don't want it.

To be clear, "homosexual" is viewed as a pejorative and pathologising term by most of the community.

Bollocks. I'm a female homosexual. I have been forced to use that term to describe myself to intentionally avoid confusion since the term 'lesbian' has been adapted by gender ideology to something that is in my belief actively homophobic and does not encompass me. Nor am I 'queer'. I do not see it in the least as something to be ashamed of, I marched and fought for the right to be proud of being homosexual. So whatever you're talking about is your problem, not mine.

I respect that you have your own belief system. It is not shared by everyone, and cannot be stated as objective fact representative of a community you certainly don't speak for all of.

BatmansBat

Gay people do not object to the term homosexual. The Q slur community seem to, though, which is all kind of sickeningly ironic.

@FloralBunting

BatmansBat

Gay people do not object to the term homosexual. The Q slur community seem to, though, which is all kind of sickeningly ironic.

You're acting like this is some new-fangled debate. Arguments against the term started a few decades ago.

It's all there on Wikipedia if you'd care to take a look.

You've already created your own term - Superlesbian. You can use that. It helps to distinguish you from normal gay people.

....... I'm sorry, you what? What exactly was that appalling piece of homophobia?!

If you want people to respect your wishes not to call them Cis, it seems really inconsistent to force the label "homosexual" on people who don't want it.

Yet it's fine for homosexuals to have the slur ''qu*r forced on to them, yeah?

Rules for thee but not for me, ''amirite''?

To be clear, "homosexual" is viewed as a pejorative and pathologising term by most of the community.

No it isn't.

'Queer', on the other hand ...

I reported it. Jaw dropping bigotry. You make it clear you are homosexual, this person tells you you must use the term they decide, and then says you're not normal. Jesus wept.

Well, from what I see here and given what I know of the posters, it seems that homosexuals is the word we should use.That was what I thought given how the word lesbian has been appropriated by the MTF trans community.

It doesn’t surprise me that an ideology which argues that biological sex should be discarded (prisons, hospitals, sports) are unhappy by people defining their sexuality based on biological sex.

This policing of language by people who are looking for validation is pathetic unusual