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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

LGBT parliamentary Discussion 1st July

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Cyclingmum50 · 02/07/2021 11:54

I thought this link might be of interest from yesterday's Parliamentary discussion

mobile.twitter.com/MhairiBlack/status/1410617488656633865

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yeahbutnaw · 02/07/2021 13:20

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GromblesofGrimbledon · 02/07/2021 13:20

So "homosexual" is out because it pathologises gay people. But "heterosexual" and "bisexual" are fine?

Just checking that you are indeed making things up as you go along and picking random reasons to be offended.

yeahbutnaw · 02/07/2021 13:21

@GromblesofGrimbledon

So "homosexual" is out because it pathologises gay people. But "heterosexual" and "bisexual" are fine?

Just checking that you are indeed making things up as you go along and picking random reasons to be offended.

You wanna maybe do a Google search before you get all outraged assuming this is something that's just been made up?

Might save you some embarrassment.

GromblesofGrimbledon · 02/07/2021 13:23

@yeahbutnaw

It's plain for all to see who's embarrassing themselves here.

Redapplewreath · 02/07/2021 13:25

You make it clear you are homosexual, this person tells you you must use the term they decide, and then says you're not normal. Jesus wept.

I think you've confused what is being said here. My reading is that Floral said I made it clear I was homosexual, and that was my term of choice. You then explained that for not using the term you decree, I am not normal. Or 'regular'.

Which is truly jawdropping homophobia.

BatmansBat · 02/07/2021 13:27

I think we may be looking at a development of language here. Some people seems quite insistent that there is no sexual attraction based on biology.

So if someone is exclusively same sex attracted they are “not normal”? Because there is an incredible push to include people of the opposite sex who claims to be the same gender?

And when language evolve over time (?) due to some people redefining the vocabulary, the same people who are redefining existing words are desperate to prevent new words/evolving words. Musing here but they seem fairly desperate to try to fit everyone into their own alternative version of reality?

Wow.

FloralBunting · 02/07/2021 13:27

Quite so, RedAppleWreath. Though I'm quite sure there's no misunderstanding about what that poster is intending.

merrymouse · 02/07/2021 13:30

If you want people to respect your wishes not to call them Cis, it seems really inconsistent to force the label "homosexual" on people who don't want it.

Nobody on this thread has referred specifically to anyone other than themselves as homosexual.

If you think it’s abusive you will need to explain why bisexual isn’t, and why people are allowed to reclaim queer, but homosexual can only be used as a medical diagnosis.

You will be aware that aware that many people use it because it specifically refers to ax and excludes heterosexuals. A political point may be being made, but politics is not intrinsically offensive.

You sound as though you are trying to shut down debate.

merrymouse · 02/07/2021 13:31

Specifically refers to sex.

FloralBunting · 02/07/2021 13:31

So if someone is exclusively same sex attracted they are “not normal”?

It wouldn't be the first time I've heard it. Homophobia is tres fashionable these days, though.

GromblesofGrimbledon · 02/07/2021 13:31

My favourite parts of this thread so far:

"It's all there on Wikipedia"
"You maybe wanna do a Google search"
"It helps to distinguish you from normal gay people"

Champion levels of piss-take right here.

yourhairiswinterfire · 02/07/2021 13:33

Wikipedia 🤣

Redapplewreath · 02/07/2021 13:34

Is anyone able to archive this thread?

NotBadConsidering · 02/07/2021 13:35

It’s classic isn’t it? The only possible explanation that left wing people think that women’s rights matter is because the right wing extremists are pulling their strings 😆😆.

People have to believe such nonsense, because the alternative is to accept that people from all walks of life, left wing included, see through their bullshit. Funnily enough I was just reading an article on the Guardian about how “queer” the books of Lord of the Rings are. The comments have seen through the bullshit and are ridiculing the article, hundreds of recommends for those that ridicule it best, and comments have been closed after just a few hours. This is a left wing paper, left wing readers, etc. Pretend all you like, but left wing people just do not buy what you’re selling.

This is what left wing people think of identity stuff. We think this because we’ve come to our own conclusions. Personally I think part of being left wing is about collective fairness, not allowing bullying, not letting people run roughshod over the rights of others. I can only laugh at people who think that makes me a puppet of the right. To counter such ridiculous notions, I can only assume them to be puppets of extremists themselves, a totalitarian group who combine McCarthyism with misogyny and DARVO, whose goal is the eradication of women and supporters who dare to say no to them. Given the threats of violence, death, rape etc, the damage done to children, the legitimised assault of women in prisons, the homophobia, and so on, if I’m going to have my fake strings pulled by a mythical wing of politics, and my poor ickle feeble mind brainwashed by a “side” I’m happy where I am, because the alternative is a horror.

BatmansBat · 02/07/2021 13:37

I am wondering what role testosterone really plays in the perceived entitlement to sex?

It always seem to be male borns who are desperate to be included in whatever dating pool there is…. And the only time women seem to be more insistent is when they have raised testosterone levels…

Is there any research on this?

Thelnebriati · 02/07/2021 13:50

What NotBadConsidering said, with knobs on.

Oystercakemix · 02/07/2021 14:03

@NotBadConsidering

It’s classic isn’t it? The only possible explanation that left wing people think that women’s rights matter is because the right wing extremists are pulling their strings 😆😆.

People have to believe such nonsense, because the alternative is to accept that people from all walks of life, left wing included, see through their bullshit. Funnily enough I was just reading an article on the Guardian about how “queer” the books of Lord of the Rings are. The comments have seen through the bullshit and are ridiculing the article, hundreds of recommends for those that ridicule it best, and comments have been closed after just a few hours. This is a left wing paper, left wing readers, etc. Pretend all you like, but left wing people just do not buy what you’re selling.

This is what left wing people think of identity stuff. We think this because we’ve come to our own conclusions. Personally I think part of being left wing is about collective fairness, not allowing bullying, not letting people run roughshod over the rights of others. I can only laugh at people who think that makes me a puppet of the right. To counter such ridiculous notions, I can only assume them to be puppets of extremists themselves, a totalitarian group who combine McCarthyism with misogyny and DARVO, whose goal is the eradication of women and supporters who dare to say no to them. Given the threats of violence, death, rape etc, the damage done to children, the legitimised assault of women in prisons, the homophobia, and so on, if I’m going to have my fake strings pulled by a mythical wing of politics, and my poor ickle feeble mind brainwashed by a “side” I’m happy where I am, because the alternative is a horror.

I don't think your argument makes sense here, I don't think the trans inclusionary argument of 'everyone deserves to have rights and be respected' is a typically right wing one.

Black is right and it's worth going back and giving it another listen. What Gender Critical people are doing is misogyny, you can't package it another way. Trans women are women, you may not agree but that is what's accepted in law and it's what the majority of people believe (yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/07/16/where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights). Blaming women for the male violence is misogynistic. It's not left wing and it's certainly not feminist.

I am fed up of hearing Gender Critical people claim they are campaigning for women's rights when all they seem to do day in day out is actively hurt women. Domestic violence has risen over the last year, sexual assault prosecutions have dropped, women are disproportionally affected by the pandemic when it comes to job losses. None of this apparently seems to matter to Gender Critical people, they quite happy to divert attention away from real feminist efforts to get angry anout public toilets.

Stop acting like trans women make prisons unsafe and start campaigning about how prisons as a whole are unsafe for women, stop pretending that the biggest issue of the day is a law about gender recognition that hasn't been changed in the last ten years.

Every time you make some stupid, poorly researched bigoted argument about the made up danger of trans people you take time and space away from the real issues affecting women. And I don't want to hear 'you can care about two things at once' because you don't, because if you did you'd be ashamed of this media domination, of this demonisation of trans people being legitimised over the real issues women face.

If you want to call your self a feminist, start acting like one.

Redapplewreath · 02/07/2021 14:06

Not only are we homosexualing wrong, we're womaning and feministing wrong too. Confused

What statistics are we going on for the whole 'normal gay people define themselves like this' and 'everyone believes TWAW' please? What source?

Tesla73 · 02/07/2021 14:08

Wow - that lengthy tirade just above is reminiscent of the lectures one used to get on Twitter

GromblesofGrimbledon · 02/07/2021 14:09

@Redapplewreath

Not only are we homosexualing wrong, we're womaning and feministing wrong too. Confused

What statistics are we going on for the whole 'normal gay people define themselves like this' and 'everyone believes TWAW' please? What source?

Werkerperdier

Tesla73 · 02/07/2021 14:10

True - its the old "google is useful, its not my job to educate you, all the 100% accurate info is on wikipedia etc"

dyslek · 02/07/2021 14:10

@Redapplewreath

You've already created your own term - Superlesbian. You can use that. It helps to distinguish you from normal gay people.

....... I'm sorry, you what? What exactly was that appalling piece of homophobia?!

The homophobia really is taking center stage more and more in this morement. I think homophobia is goig to be the next word to be disapeared.
GromblesofGrimbledon · 02/07/2021 14:12

If you want to call your self a feminist, start acting like one.

Are there classes I can sign up to to teach me how to be "lady" and "feminist"? I know, I know... educate myself. But I'm clearly failing!

Help plz?

ScreamingMeMe · 02/07/2021 14:14

"Superlesbian" was created as a joke, carrying on from the "Superstraight" joke that a young lad on TikTok created. It's a joke, a meme. How is that not blindingly obvious?

ScreamingMeMe · 02/07/2021 14:16

Yes, toilets. That's all we ever talk about ffs. Hmm

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