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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

LGBT parliamentary Discussion 1st July

129 replies

Cyclingmum50 · 02/07/2021 11:54

I thought this link might be of interest from yesterday's Parliamentary discussion

mobile.twitter.com/MhairiBlack/status/1410617488656633865

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Tesla73 · 02/07/2021 14:16

I'm a cough "cis" man so reckon I'm probably in the best place to educate all the women on here on how feminism works

I'll get some training docs together - i hear mermaids, gendered intelligence or stonewall have some good material on the subject

EsmesRedPetticoat · 02/07/2021 14:17

I can guarantee you that the majority of people out in the real world don’t believe that transwomen are women and a poll in Pink News is not really representative of the wider public. And for, I’m sure not the last time, it is NOT JUST ABOUT TOILETS!

ScreamingMeMe · 02/07/2021 14:17

@GromblesofGrimbledon

If you want to call your self a feminist, start acting like one.

Are there classes I can sign up to to teach me how to be "lady" and "feminist"? I know, I know... educate myself. But I'm clearly failing!

Help plz?

Try Wikipedia?
Tesla73 · 02/07/2021 14:19

@ScreamingMeMe

"Superlesbian" was created as a joke, carrying on from the "Superstraight" joke that a young lad on TikTok created. It's a joke, a meme. How is that not blindingly obvious?
We all know that humour and satire are no longer allowed in the modern world
ScreamingMeMe · 02/07/2021 14:20

And I seriously read "Black is right" as "Black is white" there and thought "Yeah, sounds about right". Grin

WinterTrees · 02/07/2021 14:21

Is anyone else feeling a great weariness about the prospect of going over the same old conversations we've been having here since about 2015 to pick apart the fallacious arguments of visitors who drop by to tell us off for not doing proper feministing/womaning/homosexualing and not talking about The Right Things?

I must say I'm finding the FWR board split very trying.

dyslek · 02/07/2021 14:23

Ah I see now. The term hommosexual excludes heterosexuals; where as the Qslur anyone can claim.

I am sure it is entirely coincendental that hetrosexual people have started appropriating homosexuality well after qslur bashing has mostly stopped in the west. Yes siree, entirely coincendental.

GromblesofGrimbledon · 02/07/2021 14:24

@WinterTrees

Is anyone else feeling a great weariness about the prospect of going over the same old conversations we've been having here since about 2015 to pick apart the fallacious arguments of visitors who drop by to tell us off for not doing proper feministing/womaning/homosexualing and not talking about The Right Things?

I must say I'm finding the FWR board split very trying.

It's a loooong sloooow road ahead.

I imagine a referendum on these issues would put them to bed quick smart. End this misplaced belief that TRAs have about the general population being on-side.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 02/07/2021 14:24

The homophobia really is taking center stage more and more in this morement
I think homophobia is goig to be the next word to be disapeared

You may be right…if you can’t use homosexual then surely homophobia isn’t allowed either

(I know people can use homosexual)

FloralBunting · 02/07/2021 14:25

I see that a decision was made to switch from open homophobia to berating women to focus on other things than female prisoners being locked up with rapists, and the usual reductive bullshit about toilets.

Nice try, but the anti-woman faction led in with 'homosexuals aren't normal'. I'd give this one up if I were you. You've well and truly flashed your petticoats.

ScreamingMeMe · 02/07/2021 14:26

Drive by scoldings need to take the Diversion to Bunbury?

GromblesofGrimbledon · 02/07/2021 14:29

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

Hello Rufus 👋🏻

merrymouse · 02/07/2021 14:29

I don't think your argument makes sense here, I don't think the trans inclusionary argument of 'everyone deserves to have rights and be respected' is a typically right wing one.

That isn’t the argument made by gender ideologists like Black. The argument being made is that affirmation of individual identity is more important than structural analysis of inequality and balanced rights.

Trans women are women, you may not agree but that is what's accepted in law and it's what the majority of people believe

No it isn’t, hence all the exceptions where this doesn’t apply.

am fed up of hearing Gender Critical people claim they are campaigning for women's rights when all they seem to do day in day out is actively hurt women. Domestic violence has risen over the last year, sexual assault prosecutions have dropped, women are disproportionally affected by the pandemic when it comes to job losses. None of this apparently seems to matter to Gender Critical people, they quite happy to divert attention away from real feminist efforts to get angry anout public toilets.

Julie Bindel and Karen Ingala Smith are probably the most high profile campaigners against domestic violence today.

Women are disproportionately affected by the pandemic because of their sex. Their gender identity or lack of one is irrelevant. People like Black campaign to replace language and legislation that refers to sex with language and legislation that refers to gender, but gender identity has no objective meaning so women’s rights and protections are wiped out.

The toilets issue is easy to solve. There is a need for both sex segregated and unisex provision.

Women are concerned about sharing space with MEN. Gender ideology (as supported by Black) is more concerned with affirming individuals than protecting the rights of trans people, who she wouldn’t be able to define in any objective sense.

jellyfrizz · 02/07/2021 14:29

Blaming women for the male violence is misogynistic.

Not if they are male women.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 02/07/2021 14:32

[quote GromblesofGrimbledon]@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

Hello Rufus 👋🏻 [/quote]
Hey grombles 😀

merrymouse · 02/07/2021 14:33

Every time you make some stupid, poorly researched bigoted argument about the made up danger of trans people

According to Stonewall we are all trans. The word has no meaning.

WarriorN · 02/07/2021 14:35

I'm sorry I've not read the thread but why the hell is she basing her arguments around US politics?

There are differences in a range of aspects to all this between the US and the U.K. due to laws, history of feminism and cultural differences in how U.K. society is around political and religious leanings.

The whole speech falls at the first post by not relying on facts from the U.K.

yourhairiswinterfire · 02/07/2021 14:35

If you want to call your self a feminist, start acting like one.

Okay, sorry mum

What Gender Critical people are doing is misogyny

🤣 Funny.

Stop acting like trans women make prisons unsafe

I don't think anyone here is going to take lectures on feminism from someone who thinks women being locked up with rapists isn't a feminist issue we should be focusing on, thanks Hmm

dyslek · 02/07/2021 14:40

Oh, great start at DARVO there @Oystercakemix but unless you can plausably explain HOW a transwoman is a woman then everything else is bs.
Sorry

dyslek · 02/07/2021 14:42

@WarriorN

I'm sorry I've not read the thread but why the hell is she basing her arguments around US politics?

There are differences in a range of aspects to all this between the US and the U.K. due to laws, history of feminism and cultural differences in how U.K. society is around political and religious leanings.

The whole speech falls at the first post by not relying on facts from the U.K.

The New Left love them a bit of american cultural imperialism.
corkernewyorker · 02/07/2021 14:43

I'm not sure certain peeps would appreciate the fact that I am sat here laughing my socks off over some of the absolute bollocks being spouted here. God loves a tryer, eh?

Any word with 'sex' in it seems to be problematic. Why would that be then? They that control the words control the discourse.

So here's my response

sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex

dyslek · 02/07/2021 14:44

@FloralBunting

I see that a decision was made to switch from open homophobia to berating women to focus on other things than female prisoners being locked up with rapists, and the usual reductive bullshit about toilets.

Nice try, but the anti-woman faction led in with 'homosexuals aren't normal'. I'd give this one up if I were you. You've well and truly flashed your petticoats.

I think I love you Floral.
Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 02/07/2021 14:44

If you're in the right kind of mood this thread is hilarious Grin Wikipedia as the font of all accurate information & it's misogyny to blame males for things Grin

But bloody hell splitting the board & labelling it "debate" has worked out well Hmm

Keeping a running deletion count....

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 02/07/2021 14:47

Keeping a running deletion count...

There have been masses, some people are teflon coated

WarriorN · 02/07/2021 14:47

Honestly, that speech runs like a gcse oral exam.

Bless her.

And that's being a bit unfair on 16 year olds.