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Joan of Arc was trans????

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Greenandcabbagelooking · 23/06/2021 14:36

It's Schools Diversity Week this week. There has been no mention of any kind of diversity other than LGBTQIA+. Heavy on the T. We've been reminded every day for weeks about this.

Today's update says Joan of Arc was trans because she didn't dress like a woman. There's even a discussion on the pronouns she (sorry, he/they) would have used. Silly me, I though Joan was just a woman who was fed up with the limitations her sex imposed on her. Clearly short hair + trousers = man.

I'm all for showing young people a diverse range of role models, but transing people who lived several hundred years ago is not all that helpful.

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ArabellaScott · 23/06/2021 14:47

An absolute insult. Infuriating.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/06/2021 14:49

Removing women from history now? How progressive regressive.

AssassinatedBeauty · 23/06/2021 14:50

That's offensively ridiculous. The entire reason she became renowned is because everyone was well aware she was a girl/woman. That's why she was killed. To suggest she really was a man somehow is absurd and revisionist.

Please do respond to the school about it if at all possible.

Smallredclip · 23/06/2021 14:52

Appalling!!!!!!

FictionalCharacter · 23/06/2021 15:01

Did that ridiculous material come from the school itself, or from some “package” provided by a lobbying group?
I’d love to know whether the teachers really believe that.

MarshaBradyo · 23/06/2021 15:03

Wth

Ifyourefeelingsinister · 23/06/2021 15:03

How offensive, such sexist stereotyping. Who/what organisation is behind this?

AlecTrevelyan006 · 23/06/2021 15:04

I think Bananarama must have been trans too

CiaoForNiao · 23/06/2021 15:05

I read a wonderful book about Joan of Arc a few years ago. IIRC it was called "The Girl."
I wonder if it will now be reprinted as
"The transboy"
Or maybe
"The not girl"

Ffs. Maybe JofA was trans (as in Maybe she really wanted to be a boy). Maybe she wasn't. We can't exactly ask her can we. So instead we'll erase all strong women from history.
Yep. Progress indeed.

FOJN · 23/06/2021 15:06

FFS this indoctrination of children has to stop.

Surely posthumous transing is transphobic, I thought we weren't supposed to assume anyone's gender or pronouns.

The inconsistencies make my head hurt.

GCAcademic · 23/06/2021 15:08

I take it you'll be challenging this with the school?

SapphireSeptember · 23/06/2021 15:11

Didn't she insist on still wearing boy's clothes while in prison to protect herself from rape? I'm pretty sure she knew she was a girl.

RedDogsBeg · 23/06/2021 15:12

The only surprise for me is that it has taking so long to trans Joan of Arc, are they planning to lobby France to change the references to her as the 'Maid of Orleans'?

In TRA world there are no strong women, oh no, they are all trans, it's fucking insulting and I'd lose my temper with any School or indeed person that pushed this misogynistic women erasing bullshit.

NecessaryScene · 23/06/2021 15:13

Is there any evidence of any historical figures NOT being trans?

Deadringer · 23/06/2021 15:15

Well she was brave and stunning so.........

Beowulfa · 23/06/2021 15:15

This is like a parody of itself now.

I would be demanding to know why Diversity Week focuses so heavily on this subject, and not the boring unglamorous one that affects hugely more people in the UK- disability.

Whatafool123 · 23/06/2021 15:15

@CiaoForNiao

I read a wonderful book about Joan of Arc a few years ago. IIRC it was called "The Girl." I wonder if it will now be reprinted as "The transboy" Or maybe "The not girl"

Ffs. Maybe JofA was trans (as in Maybe she really wanted to be a boy). Maybe she wasn't. We can't exactly ask her can we. So instead we'll erase all strong women from history.
Yep. Progress indeed.

I am sure lots of women and girls must have wanted to be boys down the centuries. For the same reason I did in the 70s/80s. There were so many restrictions on what a girl or woman could and couldn't do, whereas boys and men seemed to be allowed to do what they liked, and certainly all the exciting stuff.

Doesn't mean that I or JofA, or any other historical girl or woman, was actually trans in the modern sense.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 23/06/2021 15:16

I've seen a picture (admittedly not a photograph) of Charles II with very long hair. Does this mean he/she was a trans then? Hmm

GoingGently · 23/06/2021 15:19

FFS please complain about this!!! It is so extremely offensive in so many ways

CiaoForNiao · 23/06/2021 15:21

@Whatafool123 I absolutely agree. I couldn't work out how to phrase it now that saying "maybe she actually thought was a boy who was born in the wrong body" isn't correct. Saying she "wanted to be a boy" is probably totally wrong because, as you say, lots of girls go through a phase of wanting to be a boy. I don't think that's the same as being "trans" though.

There must have been trans people historically though mustn't there? As in people "born in the wrong body" (or whatever the correct phrase is). Or people with gender dysphoria.

I'm probably using all the wrong language. But with the way the meaning of words apparently keeps changing I get lost.

Bollindger · 23/06/2021 15:22

How twisted.
A female who was so religious and patriotic and was convinced God was speaking to her, she insipred her king to fight for his crown.
She donned armour to fight, not to dress like a boy.

RedDogsBeg · 23/06/2021 15:25

@Beowulfa

This is like a parody of itself now.

I would be demanding to know why Diversity Week focuses so heavily on this subject, and not the boring unglamorous one that affects hugely more people in the UK- disability.

Yes disability never gets a look in does it? and as for mental health awareness...tumbleweed, unless of course it is the most oppressed and their fake suicide statistics.

I've seen a picture (admittedly not a photograph) of Charles II with very long hair. Does this mean he/she was a trans then?

Must have been, also wore make-up, must have been a lesbian too but the kind of lesbian that could impregnate other women regularly.

Bollindger · 23/06/2021 15:31

Not sure which paper it was in this week, but lots of transmen getting pregnant and most were upset reality had derailed their fantasy life.

Bollindger · 23/06/2021 15:33

It just accured to me, if transwoman are getting people pregnant, just how is the CS thing going to work...
I should think having to pay maintenance each month for 18 years won't sit well with the them.

RubyGoat · 23/06/2021 15:34

Ridiculous. She was remarkable for doing what she did, while being female. If she'd actually been trans, she'd have made genuine attempts to hide her sex, for a start. (There were cases of women going to war as men & being discovered & sent home. Likewise there were cases of women "living as men" & men "living as women", because they weren't happy with their gender roles in society, & being found out, & publicly humiliated). But she didn't. She wore trousers etc because they were practical. She wore her hair short so it would fit under her helmet in battle. She clearly as much at her trial. She didn't claim to be a man, or anything other than a woman. Except she made a good job of breaking away from the accepted gender roles of the time - she didn't just sit & sew shirts for the men, & wait at home for the invading army to come & rape her in her home. There was a prophecy that a maid would rise & save France; she believed herself to be that maid.