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Bunbury's Thirteenth edition - unlucky for some.

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highame · 10/06/2021 19:04

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving. It seems appropriate to resurrect today

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember there are people out there who would like to silence us by fair means or foul and attacks are increasing.

This is a continuation of Bunbury’s 9th Public Service Announcement but other Bunbury’s are available and I believe Bunbury’s Orchestra is still alive www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4238543-Does-Bunbury-have-an-orchestra

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well-worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.
If you feel your hackles rising, give yourself a break. After the Maya case we may find an escalation.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, the following strategy is suggested

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”
Bunbury’s is under attack so be on your guard - there be dragons looking for witches.
If you’re lurking, Bunbury was a fictitious person in the Importance of Being Earnest - whenever our hero wanted to get out of an unwanted social engagement he would claim to have to be visiting his sick relative Bunbury. Hence the rediscovery of hitherto unknown second wave feminist Germaine Bunbury, to indicate to posters that a thread may in fact constitute an unwelcome social occasion they might want to avoid (courtesy of FermatsTheorem)
Finally, TAAT (thread about a thread) will get the thread removed. Let’s see how long this one lasts.

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GetTheeToTheGulag · 24/06/2021 13:00
  • Blue stocking. Envy
EmbarrassingAdmissions · 24/06/2021 22:38

Parts of MN I didn't know exist - I tried to click on something in Active and the page reloaded so I ended up on a thread about an underarm boil or some such in Sporners Corner. I didn't know this genre had a name nor that MN had a spot for them. [snarf]

Bunbury might need to expand her walking guides to take in such byways.

littlbrowndog · 24/06/2021 22:47

Oh I clicked on that one 🤢

Was a shock and left at a run

JustcameoutGC · 24/06/2021 23:04

Real feminists love sporn. In fact I think MN should split the board to reflect sporny feminism versus non sporny feminism. Would make as much sense as anything else

Sophoclesthefox · 25/06/2021 06:23

@JustcameoutGC

Real feminists love sporn. In fact I think MN should split the board to reflect sporny feminism versus non sporny feminism. Would make as much sense as anything else
Good plan. I’m with the sporners Grin
EmbarrassingAdmissions · 25/06/2021 11:02

Of interest to Bunburyists, perhaps: Content moderation on the Internet infrastructure level – Where does censorship begin?

29 June 2021 16:30-17:30 CEST: eurodigwiki.org/wiki/WS_09_2021

Olderbadger1 · 25/06/2021 11:27

So pleased to see Bunbury here - and to discover that the Bluestocking is still open for ranting. I've been entirely discombobulated by the sundering of sex & gender from the general Feminism boards. Perhaps a gin and a bacon sandwich will help.

highame · 25/06/2021 13:14

Time for someone to start another Bluestocking thread. I'm up for it but already have my name in lights on the Bunbury and I'm gagging for a drink and a celebratory one at that due to a certain society having a common sense injection

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JustcameoutGC · 25/06/2021 13:49

What is the blue stocking thread for?

ErrolTheDragon · 25/06/2021 14:02

@JustcameoutGC

What is the blue stocking thread for?
A virtual pub. A cosy room of requirement. With goats and (for reasons lost in the midst of time) a cannon.
EmbarrassingAdmissions · 25/06/2021 14:02

Bunbury is bumped as a public service announcement (mostly) as per the OP.

Bluestocking is just a general place to chat over a notional pint, a schooner of something decorous, a snifter of something bracing, or a comforting mug of a beverage of choice. There are decent snacks. People can soak up the atmosphere and enjoy the ambience or they can be near the live music or vigorous discussions.

If we fall asleep in a quiet corner, someone drops a blanket over us and adjusts a pillow.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 25/06/2021 14:03

We used to have a community: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3435161-Badley-Fuckitt-Welcomes-Careful-Drivers

ErrolTheDragon · 25/06/2021 14:04

.... I don't think anyone has opened up yet, so I'll pick a title from those suggested and do so. Hang on a mo....

ErrolTheDragon · 25/06/2021 14:07

Here you go

Still Blue, Still Stocking: The Bluestocking remains open in 2021 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4280319-still-blue-still-stocking-the-bluestocking-remains-open-in-2021

GetTheeToTheGulag · 25/06/2021 16:25

I'm gagging for a drink and a celebratory one at that due to a certain society having a common sense injection

Ooh. I'm not sure who/what you're referring to.

But I saw this on Twitter which will put a spring in my step as I head to the Blue Stocking.

twitter.com/theedijester/status/1408389062604505091?s=21

Bunbury's Thirteenth edition - unlucky for some.
JustcameoutGC · 25/06/2021 17:19

I think it might rhyme with paw

ClosdesMouches · 26/06/2021 22:46

I remember Bubnburynwhen tempted to engage with those who aren't posting in good faith.

ClosdesMouches · 26/06/2021 22:47

Bunbury when

ScreamingMeMe · 27/06/2021 14:04

I hope this isn't breaking the rules.

I've found that MNHQ are happy to delete posts calling GC feminists transphobes, bigots etc. I report every one I see: that shit isn't going to fly any more.

ClosdesMouches · 27/06/2021 14:15

Screaming, yes it's important to report those type of posts.
I do feel that part of the problem is that FWR regulars don't report enough and just aren't vociferous in their dealings with MNHQ. Whereas the monitors here and externally are persistent reporters and communicators via email etc.
I'm absolutely not suggesting that anyone should be reporting vexatiously, but we need to speak up direct to MNHQ.

I will add here that HQ ignored two of my reports last week, both asking a question requesting clarity about the rules.
I will be chasing it up tomorrow as ignoring genuine questions from very long standing posters seems to be a new tactic by HQ. Not impressed.

CardinalLolzy · 27/06/2021 14:50

In the past I've sent enquiring emails about "the rules" and grey areas re what is conducted uncivil etc. Sometimes they have needed a chase up before I get a reply but I have been happy with their replies when they do.

ErrolTheDragon · 27/06/2021 14:53

@ScreamingMeMe

I hope this isn't breaking the rules.

I've found that MNHQ are happy to delete posts calling GC feminists transphobes, bigots etc. I report every one I see: that shit isn't going to fly any more.

I think there's a case for leaving some such posts to stand, as proof of exactly what sort shit is piled on us, and the paucity of their arguments.

I do report particularly vile posts from time to time, and some which break the general talk guidelines. There are some posters who are so clearly 'bad faith' and inflammatory or personal attacks that they need to be classified as trolls or earn their three strikes (strikes don't just apply to feminists!) and be shown the door ASAP.

ClosdesMouches · 27/06/2021 15:00

@CardinalLolzy

In the past I've sent enquiring emails about "the rules" and grey areas re what is conducted uncivil etc. Sometimes they have needed a chase up before I get a reply but I have been happy with their replies when they do.
Meanwhile they're happy to engage with actual PBPs on Twitter.
highame · 27/06/2021 16:05

I agree Errol. The take down of a sex critical activist by a GC feminist is a sight to behold (Sex critical taken from the Observer thread. Not TAATing just referencing)

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highame · 30/06/2021 21:40

Remember, there's lots of Bunbury's, a whole family for you to visit when required Grin and the Bluestocking is always open

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