Starmer and the Labour Party Really Cannot Read the Room

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Labour and Self-id

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Rosie Duffield gets the predictable kicking in the comments. Still no public support for her. That's what the Labour leadership think about women's rights and women who have an opinion.

Why any women would vote Labour I really do not know.

@Beamur

By-election result might have more to do with HS2 than anything else. Hugely unpopular locally. Dismal result for Labour

The LDems support HS2.

Maybe not that then!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-57383497

The lib dem candidate was outspoken against HS2

@PronounssheRa

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-57383497

The lib dem candidate was outspoken against HS2

So was the tory candidate, life long opponent.

I think the tories lost because (in no particular order)
Lab didn't campaign (local pact) the care homes issue is starting to register with voters, nhs waiting lists, LD restriction delays, foreign travel, johnsons buffoonery... G7 hypocrisy..

Lisa Nandy:

"It’s always special to be part of the #prideofmanchester awards, but this year I was especially proud to present the Lifetime Achievement award to the inspirational
@christineburns"

twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1398368205068963847?s=20

"The same person who had a book talking about the strategy of getting men in women’s prisons? You should be ashamed and embarrassed at your willingness to be groomed at the expense of the most vulnerable and mainly working class women!"

twitter.com/STILLTish/status/1398422480360980481?s=20

(I'd love to read Burns' book, but I'm not fucking paying for it.)
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HS2 is a fair accompli. The government wants to build more houses (no one can deny that the Home Counties need them) and there are plenty of rich NIMBYs there who don't want it.

*fait accompli

The Labour Party did campaign for the seat. I saw a picture on Twitter of Angela Rayner, Stephen Morgan and other MPs down there yesterday.

@DdraigGoch

HS2 is a fair accompli. The government wants to build more houses (no one can deny that the Home Counties need them) and there are plenty of rich NIMBYs there who don't want it.

I live in the SW, i can assure you that the house building around here is pissing off many tory voters. they aren't going to local FTB's but to BTL 's, but the most important thing is local services from hospitals, roads, sewage systems, GPs, schools are not keeping up with population increases.

It' s huge issue and i do NOT mix with wealthy NIMBYS, more working class tories.

@SpindleWhorl

The Labour Party did campaign for the seat. I saw a picture on Twitter of Angela Rayner, Stephen Morgan and other MPs down there yesterday.

Does that make it true? A good friend of mine lives in the area and she said all she ever saw was Tory LD and Green campaigns.

But i don't no the area, either way, its a side show, God almighty could have come out in support of Lab and they'd still have got very few votes, its a tory seat for over 50 years - they musy be well pissed with Boris

Housing is such a major factor in politics.

Pretty sure it's a major issue in the change in the 'Red Wall', too.

@thecatfromjapan

Housing is such a major factor in politics.

Pretty sure it's a major issue in the change in the 'Red Wall', too.

Why would they vote for a party that has been in power for ten years and still hasn't sorted it out in the so called red wall seats?

Brexit is why Lab lost in the north.

Social housing with cheap rents is the answer, always was, always will be.

jasjas I suspect a factor in the 'red wall' is that a lot of the swing to Conservatives comes from older owner-occupiers.

That's what I mean by housing being an issue.

How you are situated vis a vis housing is a massive issue now. It impacts on everything.

Batley and Spen will give a more accurate picture of where Labour currently stands - if they tank there, especially with an expectation that people will reciprocate the tactical voting in the last by-election, they really are in trouble.

I note Bercow has now joined labour because they reflect his values. Am I alone in thinking that this seems true but not in a good way?

This needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt as it is Lord Ashcroft for the Mail on Sunday, essentially an excerpt of his new biography of Starmer:

"The following year [1989] he accompanied the human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell by bus to a green socialist summer camp in France.

'He was a fellow Left-wing activist,' says Tatchell. 'He struck me as very intelligent, passionate and committed to a radical vision of what Britain could be. He was well to the Left of Neil Kinnock, but he combined radicalism with pragmatism. He was quite in advance of Labour thinking at the time.'

Tatchell remembers discussing ideas with Starmer which were not considered mainstream in Labour circles in the 1980s. 'Both he and I were already thinking about the potential of Europe-wide collaboration between socialist parties, trade unions and civil society groups to advance a progressive agenda.

This went against the grain of traditional Left-wing hostility towards what was then the EC. Keir was very strong on human rights. He also embraced new ideas on feminism, ecology and LGBT+ rights when some in the Labour Party – even on the Left – were still quite hesitant.'"

I had not realised that Starmer has only been in Parliament since 2015, albeit following a distinguished legal career specialising in human rights.

For those with an appetitive for such things, the link is

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9704171/Keir-Starmer-caused-hard-Brexit-arrogant-refusal-accept-referendum-biography-claims.html

There are a few critical articles about Starmer in the Mail today, including one about his line on anti-Semitism which seems unsavoury. The knives seem to be out. I assume they are as a prelude to the upcoming by-election. His days seem numbered.

John Bercow? Just how much bad luck does KS need (I loved him as speaker but I was a rabid remainer) but this isn't the kind of move to give confidence to those brexiteers in Batley & Spen.

I would have always put KS quite far left but the Unions don't. Maybe that's because the Unions want their man in charge. I have not mis-gendered, the unions are not pro women and any women elected as leader of the LP will be a puppet

It was Bercow as speaker who denied several MPs requests to debate a male rapist (Karen White) being put in a female prison with the predictable result for women he was locked up with.

Bercow will be right at home in Labour.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3396169-John-Bercow-sex-pest-ridicules-GC-Women-friend-of-Pink-News-Edward-Lord-who-refused-UQ-about-prison-policy-following-Karen-White-Case-Unconnected

@Tibtom

It was Bercow as speaker who denied several MPs requests to debate a male rapist (Karen White) being put in a female prison with the predictable result for women he was locked up with.

YY. He's utterly vile.

@Tibtom

It was Bercow as speaker who denied several MPs requests to debate a male rapist (Karen White) being put in a female prison with the predictable result for women he was locked up with.

Bercow didn't put this male rapist in a womens prison, the Tory Govt via the prison service did, specifically the Home Office.

the debate was after the fact, rather pointless, as he had been moved by then.

the debate should have been before this man was imprisoned.

Can I just point out that the Hone Office aren't responsible for prisons anymore. It's been the responsibility of the Ministry of Justice since 2005.

The debate was after the fact of an government department having a policy which harmed women, after this harm had been demonstrated but before other male sex offenders had been moved tl a women's prison, before the trans wing which still allowed male sex offenders to mix with women. Of course it wasn't pointless, there was and is plenty of scope for the government to learn from Karen White and protect women.

@AnneElliott

Can I just point out that the Hone Office aren't responsible for prisons anymore. It's been the responsibility of the Ministry of Justice since 2005.

Yes sorry but my original point stands, a conservative government allowed this terrible situation to happen and continue to happen.

The government can and do bring forward legislation with or without any speakers approval.

Blaming Bercow, is completely shifting blame from those who are responsible and are able to change the situation.

The Lib Dems are dangerous and slimy.

The bye-election vote was highly influenced by the HS2 issue. Lib-Dems are FOR HS2. She won her seat based on 1. HS2 Nimbyism 2. Protest votes on other issues.