Girl pushed under train.

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The girls all have to run past the boys to board the train.
One girl is kicked in the face, spat on, shoved, tripped up, and ends up falling on to the tracks.

The guard in they hi vis yellow jacket just watches.

I'm at the end of my tether with male violence and entitlement.

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@camaleon

I agree with *@namechangemarch21* that there are other problems behind this and one of them is lack of integration in society. But just looking at this thread, women also scream for 'punishment' instead of rehabilitation when these things happen.

Patriarchal violence cannot be addressed (in my view) with more patriarchal violence

Women are screaming? You sound very misogynistic, are you a man?

Zero tolerance is the answer. I have worked in education and absolutely agree with this.
I hope all those young males there will be punished. Spending the rest of their days incarcerated and make examples of would be the ideal outcome.

No @mainsfed; I am not a man. And probably I still have some misogynistic traits on me that I need working on. A lifetime of becoming self-aware about sexism and others forms of discrimination have told me we are all part of the problem.

The 'women screaming' is probably not the best way of expressing my point. On this occasion though, the main point I wanted to make
stands

@Onlinedilema

Zero tolerance is the answer. I have worked in education and absolutely agree with this. I hope all those young males there will be punished. Spending the rest of their days incarcerated and make examples of would be the ideal outcome.

This is what I meant. The belief that incarcerating young males for ever, depriving them of jobs, etc. is the solution is extremely violent too. And does not try to look or resolve the structural issues behind the behaviour of men. It replicates the violence.

Too right 'women are screaming for punishment' as you phrase it. Billions to your softly softly approach. There is no excuse for this behaviour what so ever.
Id like to see them all made an example of. Posters with the tag line 'You chose to behave like this, then it will be the last choice you ever make.'

I’m confused by this:

Its shocking, but attacks like this specific one are not common

Yet also

frequently out causing trouble and this has got massively worse under lockdown

And

often hang out in their own areas and are generally intimidating

So attacks like this, male on female violence, are rare? Im sorry to say they really aren’t

This is just disgusting and heartbreaking

In Malahide, an innocent boy aged about 15 was chased by this gang. In terror he jumped onto a car at traffic and this gang were lashing at him with chains. Eventually they forced him off the car and beat him badly and he was taken to hospital. There was a poor family in the car with children.

As if I wasn't angry enough...

www.lbc.co.uk/news/shocking-moment-girl-is-knocked-onto-train-tracks-by-gang-of-yobs/

A Garda spokesman said: "Gardai are investigating an incident of assault that occurred in Howth Junction Dart Station on 1st April, 2021, at approximately 9pm.

"A woman fell from the train platform during the incident and sustained injuries."

Fell?
Ok then.

@Mamette

It has nothing to do with affluence.

Boys from all areas and backgrounds have shown violence and not just since Covid.

The girl who was stabbed in the neck at Dun Laoghaire pier a couple of years ago and nearly died? Local boy from a very “naice” background did that. Just an example.

To be fair @mamette that's an absolute false equivalence. The perpetrator in Dun Laoghaire had been under psychiatric care for years, his parents had been sleeping beside his bed in shifts they were so worried he'd harm someone. They let him out for a 'break' in the middle of the day and he managed to arrange to meet a woman he planned to kill. He was extremely mentally unwell.

The situation here is gangs where violence is normalised. I don't think saying this particular issue is a class thing is denying it occurs in children from other backgrounds. I actually think there are hug issues with male violence and accountability in, say, private school attending rugby players. But the approach to tackle both needs to be different.

We need a societal shift in our approach to violence, consent, etc etc. But these boys need a specific approach because they are being socially excluded in a number of ways that reinforces and almost rewards the societal tendency towards violence. Its not about saying 'they're deprived and should be excused', the vast majority of people in these areas are not violent and are the ones most terrorised by them.

But no civilised society is going to lock up a 15 year old and throw away the key. So we need to start thinking a lot more seriously about earlier intervention and rehabilitation.

I think we've reached a stage where we need to priortise recruiting huge numbers of public transport police/security to patrol all trains and tubes to a much greater extent than they do.

In England there are moves to remove guards from trains entirely and have drivers only. There were a series of railway strikes about it pre-covid. For the safety of all vulnerable people this needs to be resisted in the strongest terms.

I can't blame the guard for not getting involved - it was one person against a huge group. However, if train guards are unable to intervene, they should be calling the gardi (or police in UK) every single time they have to chuck people off the trains for violence, intimidation or harassment. All of those things are against the law. We should not have to wait until a girl is seriously injured before the law intervenes.

camaleon yes too right.
I don't care about your softly, softly unproductive pointless approach.
Don't lecture me about being poor and disadvantaged, I could show you example after example of abject poverty where the people do not behave like that.
Stop making pathetic excuses.
Get this too. I don't care vicariously dont.
Do I want to pussy foot around this scum or do I want heavy punishment and my children to be safe?
Let me pause for a millisecond, yep I'll take the second option thanks.
Once again, I have worked with this type of youth, the only thing which brought results was a hard zero tolerance. Children respect boundaries.
That is what is lacking.
Those girls should not have to face that at all.
Fuck the feelings of these poor little males.

@camaleon

I agree with *@namechangemarch21* that there are other problems behind this and one of them is lack of integration in society. But just looking at this thread, women also scream for 'punishment' instead of rehabilitation when these things happen.

Patriarchal violence cannot be addressed (in my view) with more patriarchal violence

This is why nothing will be done

At minimum, they need months to years in juvenile detention.

And because they are minors, their names are not publicly released (we know them from SM)

Having grown up in Ireland I can say this is very common and was going on 40 years ago.

Nothing will happen to those boys.

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

I’m confused by this:

Its shocking, but attacks like this specific one are not common

Yet also

frequently out causing trouble and this has got massively worse under lockdown

And

often hang out in their own areas and are generally intimidating

So attacks like this, male on female violence, are rare? Im sorry to say they really aren’t

To be clear: teenage boys hanging out, being generally intimidating to walk past, nicking bikes, is common.

Throwing missiles at passing cyclists/runners happens fairly frequently, but generally with the intent of being intimidating rather than injuring, though sometimes it escalates to robbery/trying to hurt people. Usually in their own areas, so people will 'know' to avoid them at certain times, cross the road if they see a gang of teenagers as they approach.

The specific incident of lashing out at women in a confined space, and pushing someone in front of a train, is not common. Its obviously an escalation of behaviour that's allowed to go unchecked. But its really rare - I've never heard of someone being pushing in front of a train here like that before. So: its part of a pattern of male violence. But, its an escalation of violence that isn't usually specifically targeted towards women. The fact that when it was escalated they chose women, probably isn't surprising as they're much more vulnerable and less unpredictable in this situation. But that is essentially the background - these aren't gangs that hang around targeting young girls that have escalated. That doesn't in any way excuse the violence, or say it is not a problem of male violence, or pretend it was some kind of coincidence that when the violence it got worse it was aimed at women.

But it is the context.

@doublehalo

Having grown up in Ireland I can say this is very common and was going on 40 years ago.

Nothing will happen to those boys.

It is far from very common, there is a reason it is international news. Because its not at all common.

Oh and to spell it out.
I don't care about the pointless, wasteful use of public money , trying to rehabilitate this scum. No really. What would be good is if they stayed locked up until their life ended better still if that isn't a long time. There said it. With any luck they will end up in the train tracks and not get up.

The footballer will not have his life ruined. There were obituaries all over the media for the 'legendary' Sun journalist John Kay the other day. The name rang a bell but it was only on Twitter where I discovered that he had actually strangled and drowned his wife to death in the 1970s. He kept his job.

I agree with posters saying that the purpose of the police should be to prevent crimes happening rather than solve them once the damage is done. I also think the idea that the criminal justice system is too harsh on these yobs is laughable. They say that for every time a person is convicted of a crime that person has actually committed 40 crimes. Criminals are often convicted several times before they receive a custodial sentence. Add in the fact that they are very unlikely to be arrested and charged in the first place, then you have the situation of males committing hundreds of crimes before they even get a whiff of jail and then they're almost always let out early once they've been put in there. There's very little disincentive for people whose parents have given them this mentality.

It is far from very common, there is a reason it is international news. Because its not at all common

It’s only because their actions caused her to fall
under the train. If she had glanced off the side of the train (as they probably expected) it would have been just another day.

@NameChangedCosShame

As if I wasn't angry enough...

www.lbc.co.uk/news/shocking-moment-girl-is-knocked-onto-train-tracks-by-gang-of-yobs/

A Garda spokesman said: "Gardai are investigating an incident of assault that occurred in Howth Junction Dart Station on 1st April, 2021, at approximately 9pm.

"A woman fell from the train platform during the incident and sustained injuries."

Fell?
Ok then.

They have to be really cautious not to jeopardise any legal proceedings. I hope they don't find a loophole to get out of what they've done.

Male violence, and women being harmed by male violence is not rare.
kareningalasmith.com/

Reducing your criteria for comparative violence to have to include being pushed under a train is insane.

@Onlinedilema

Too right 'women are screaming for punishment' as you phrase it. Billions to your softly softly approach. There is no excuse for this behaviour what so ever. Id like to see them all made an example of. Posters with the tag line 'You chose to behave like this, then it will be the last choice you ever make.'

Agreed it is a serious incident and needs a serious punishment. No rehabilitation, this isn't a prank gone wrong.

These scumbags have been terrorising people in Malahide for the last few weeks. I know several older people living in the area who are terrified to go into the town. It's disgusting.

The last time I was in a train station it was heavily policed. The transport police were checking on all the carriages and I was very pleased. Felt safer.

The transport police were checking on all the carriages and I was very pleased.

Were they looking to deal with troublemakers or covid violations? I don't want to be too cynical but I'd expect it to be the latter.