Girl pushed under train.

[Thelnebriati]

The girls all have to run past the boys to board the train.
One girl is kicked in the face, spat on, shoved, tripped up, and ends up falling on to the tracks.

The guard in they hi vis yellow jacket just watches.

I'm at the end of my tether with male violence and entitlement.

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This is horrendous! It’s hard to believe such vile people exist. I hope his club have kicked him out. He doesn’t deserve a football career, no matter how talented he is.

Fair enough @namechangemarch21 it was an extreme example, however the point I am trying to make is that it isn’t necessarily the case that gangs of disaffected youths from the badlands come out to the lovely seaside suburbs and cause ructions, which is a handy myth that any “affluent”- or just average- parent of a teen could fall prey to believing. Thinking their own kid could never be up to this kinds of stuff when they’re out, when they might very well be.

I haven’t stopped thinking about this video and them poor girls after watching it. Horrific

alltoocoldforsno

I presume you are talking about the girl ending up on the train tracks. I'm talking about groups of boys attacking passing girls.

Don't try to defend or mimimize this behaviour. It's high time it was addressed.

It’s not just Dublin, I was in our town centre the other day, took the little ones into the loo and my 11 year old wanted to stand literally outside the door. It was 2 minutes tops and when I came out she was upset and said a group of boys came past “play fighting” and pushed her and told her to fuck off for looking at her.

When I told security they said that a group had tried to throw a child over the glass railings on the top floor the day before.

Last time I take my girls into town and their future won’t include shopping trips and a little freedom with their friends like mine did which is just heartbreaking. We need police on the streets and to get rid of this softly softly “don’t you touch my kid” bullshit.

@toffeebutterpopcorn

They actually stated human rights? How is it that men have ‘more’ human rights?

Woman - no right to catch a train without being attacked
Man - human rights to attack a woman and not have the meanies demand he is punished?

In the UK it has been normal for many years that the rights of the criminal heavily outweigh the rights of their victim.

There are local youths in affluent areas that cause trouble too - but the ones who travel out on the trains from other areas are an even worse group - much more openly aggressive and looking to start fights - when you see them you can picture them in jail in another few years.

I saw this footage and it was horrendous! I actually jumped with shock when I saw her fall off the platform, and DH swore. I couldn't believe it. Just couldn't be;ieve it.

The girls were trying to avoid the boys from the off - they had obviously suffered this sort of abuse before - but were unable to get into a coach without going past the lads.

The casual contempt for them from the boys was horrifying: shoving, a brutal kick to the face, spitting in the girl's faces, and then that shove which could have crippled or killed that poor girl!

Apparently at least one of them has been identified and has a "promising football career" ahead of him - so I don't doubt there will be pressure on the girls not to press charges, but bugger that! Every one of those little bastards deserves to be punished for their behaviour.

Really really horrific!

A relative of mine taught in a very deprived school beside a very able young male teacher who just happened to have been educated in a very well known public school. Discussing the differences between such schools, the young teacher laughed when it was suggested that pupil violence would be worse in a deprived school. In his opinion the boys in this deprived school were mere amateurs when it came to being violent sociopaths.

@SchadenfreudePersonified

It is not the victim's choice to press charges or not. That's an American thing. They will be prosecuted or they wont be, but that decision is down to law enforcement and the prosecution service. Which is why so many men get away with stuff; no one wants to prosecute an up and coming football star.

States spend all their bloody money buying technology to solve a crime AFTER it has been done. Put police on the streets in numbers and stop it before.

Exactly!

Police forces cut to the bone, security staff afraid to intervene because the know that no-one dare step in to support them, and they could end up beaten to a pulp themselves; no consequences for the feral little bastards - often from decent families, they aren't all "dragged up" - even when they are caught.

This is just a recipe for social chaos.

That was absolutely disgusting. They should and could charge the whole group under the "joint enterprise" laws, assuming that it exists in Ireland.

I don't know what the answer to this kind of aggressive behaviour is, and I fear that maybe there isn't one. Every generation spawns a new lot of future violent misogynists, and the gang culture is so ingrained - how do you even begin to change that? I resent having to share the same planet as people like that, there is so much violence out there. Every time I go on BBC news there's something more - 19 year old man has killed 12 children and a teacher in a school in Russia today. Where is this aggression coming from????? Some people are born into this world to nurture and create, some people are born into it wanting to destroy. Is that nature or nurture?

Truly shocking. I hope they catch every one of these bastards!

We look at some countries where public flogging is acceptable and think, "Ugh. barbaric!"

Then I look at these lad and think, I almost wish we had public whippings.

I wonder how 'hard' these little bastards would act then.

I lived in central and near-central London for over 30 years, as a young and then middle-aged woman, and never saw/experienced anything remotely like this. I live in Ireland now, but have in fact never been to Dublin. This does not make me want to go there.

Its the guy in the red puffer that causes the fall and desepite the fact he went back and seems shocked by the fall he should still be held accountable. There was no power in the kick but it is still to his shame that he did it and aimed it at the head of a woman. What are the parents of these boys teaching them...do they not have mothers

..do they not have mothers

Well he must have someone parenting him if he’s on the under-whatever team for Shelbourne FC. Someone ferrying him to training and matches, buying him boots and astros and all the rest of it.

@Onlinedilema

camaleon yes too right. I don't care about your softly, softly unproductive pointless approach. Don't lecture me about being poor and disadvantaged, I could show you example after example of abject poverty where the people do not behave like that. Stop making pathetic excuses. Get this too. I don't care vicariously dont. Do I want to pussy foot around this scum or do I want heavy punishment and my children to be safe? Let me pause for a millisecond, yep I'll take the second option thanks. Once again, I have worked with this type of youth, the only thing which brought results was a hard zero tolerance. Children respect boundaries. That is what is lacking. Those girls should not have to face that at all. Fuck the feelings of these poor little males.

This is not personal and I am not lecturing you about anything. If this was my perspective, I doubt you had more experience than me on it, personal and professional. Absolutely not the point.

It is my perspective that violence is not fought with more violence. I am not making excuses for anybody. It is a pity solutions are not as easy as you think. The problem would have been resolved.

I was thinking the same - where are the parents in all of this? Why are these groups of young lads allowed to get together and cause havoc. How would these boys feel if their their own mother was targeted like this? Would they be happy and proud? I reckon many of thier mothers were teenage pram pushers only having babies for the money and welfare benefits that goes with it.

These lads are minors so nothing will be done about them and they will be allowed to continue this. Imo the parents should be dealt with. Make the parents pay for underage criminals. I also think there should be a 2 or 3 strike rule and upon the third all social welfare benefits should be cut off from the family for a period off time say for a year. If there was a clear consequence of losing income for doing criminal harassment like this, there probably would be less of it.

If I behaved like this growing up and I made the police or Gardai go home and knock on the family home door, there would have been hell to pay from my mother. She never layed the consequences out or they were never clear but I knew if I caused trouble like this all hell would break loose from her.

Where are the parents in all of this.

Ireland will have to do something about this for domestic and international tourism. Who would want to visit Dublin or other cities like Cork and Limerick if people knew these random attacks were a possibility?

Googled the guy and his football club put out a statement.
Well done for condoning violence, but they basically said he gets a fair hearing and then they’ll deal with it. Surely they have to suspend him pending an investigation and be seen to publicly do that?

I reckon many of thier mothers were teenage pram pushers only having babies for the money and welfare benefits that goes with it.

Jesus

Christ

Give me fucking strength

2 boys contributed to the fall. The one in the red top made a head butt move towards the girl (or else spat at her). Another boy behind him then immediately swung the wheel of his bike into her path. It is unclear if the bike struck her legs but the action was the cause of her falling down.

[quote Brokenpencilsarepointless]@SchadenfreudePersonified

It is not the victim's choice to press charges or not. That's an American thing. They will be prosecuted or they wont be, but that decision is down to law enforcement and the prosecution service. Which is why so many men get away with stuff; no one wants to prosecute an up and coming football star.[/quote]
This is just sickening.

Around these parts, the police are useless even with CCTV. You will find these yobs already have lawyers on the ready. The process moves at snails pace.

Gosh I hope they get the full extent of the law.

If this is a law and order issue, then left/liberal political parties tend to be very soft on crime. So along the lines of "prison doesn't work", "smacking kids is a violation of their human rights", "blame society", "the police are racist", "defund the police". (Or with the "defunding" stuff it's getting that extreme from some in the US anyway.)

The Conservative Party are more likely to talk tough on crime, but they probably aren't going to do much these days either.

If this is parenting, then who to blame? Single mothers? Absent fathers? Both?

Are boys just naturally more aggressive? Or they are socialized into it somehow?