What's it really like for girls when one of their classmates is trans? A short film.

[Shizuku]

@ToastyFingers

They didn't ask any other girls how they felt though? The video doesn't even touch on what it's it's like to have a trans classmate, it's just another video of what it's like to be trans.

Watch how the other girls interact with her. Do they seem traumatised? Terrified? Or is it just young girls playing together like young girls do?

Posters have already pointed out OP, on your deleted thread, that this video doesn't do anything except tell the 'trans child's point of view.

It doesn't do what you say it does - ie tell us what it's like for natal girls.

As I just explained on the other thread:

It doesn't matter if 99% of female children can get undressed in mixed sex spaces: there will be some that can't.

What do we do with them? Where's the kindness, the intersectionality, the diversity, the acceptance of their identity and authentic selves?

And 1% of female children will be considerably more in number than trans children, since the entire trans population is less than 1% of the population in the UK. We don't regard them as too small a group to care for so obviously can't dismiss even a very small proportion of girls as too small to care for either.

What do we do for those girls OP?

Why would they be terrified?

I'm hoping to show members of this group a real life example of a trans girl interacting with her peers, given that hypothetical interactions between trans girls and their peers are constantly under discussion here.

Ffs! What part of ‘this is a parenting forum and many posters have children still of the age where they are living the theme of the video’! And we know. We actually talk to our children and see them in action.

There is a complete lack of acknowledgement of just who posts on these threads. There is no engagement at all to even find out.

Nobody here discusses how children interact with each other.

Except when it comes to getting changed and the need for age appropriate privacy.

And when it comes to compelled speech and the constant pushing of a ‘religion’ which is at odds with how most people see the world.

Nobody in a mainstream school compels children to accept that the wafer is literally the body of Christ and nobody should be compelling children to state that their male classmate is now a girl. Other people’s beliefs are just that - beliefs.

Whatever kids want to wear, play with or call themselves is entirely up to them to decide and if society has somehow led little boys down a path of believing that playing with certain toys or wearing certain clothes makes them a girl, it’s society that needs to change, not the child.

So just skim watched it, the child is talking about feeling like a girl, I didn't see any one to one conversations to the girls in the video or classmates to ask how they feel about it. Unless I missed them?
I see kids playing in the video. I also believe that females should have spaces that will not have penises in them. Not every female will be comfortable with a male amongst them changing, just because some are okay with it shouldn't mean the rest have to deal with it if uncomfortable .

Girls may tend to play with barbies more than boys but that doesn’t mean that boys who play with barbies are really girls does it???

Giving the benefit of doubt I have watched:

Transgirl discussing if / when they should tell the boy they fancy that they are trans. Friend reassure her that if the boy thinks transgirl is cute then learning their sex won't change anything

Transgirl was born a bit but realised they were a girl when 'I played with Barbie's and I word dresses rather than trousers. And I liked to wear wigs" (Direct quote, I'm not paraphrasing cynically)

Wasn't initially allowed to dress as girls as parents wanted them to "accept reality" (Direct quote)

Transgirls make friend noticed they played with Barbie's rather than computers but they get on fine.

Transgirl uses girls changing rooms. All the girls were the transgirls friends. "So who could object? Perhaps some younger girl, but what could she do? Nothing". (Direct quote) The girls in their class were not asked how they felt about this.

And then I got bored - sorry - maybe someone else can watch the rest?

OP can you explain why she says playing with Barbies is one obvious sign that she is a girl? Do you really, honestly think that there is some biological reason why interest in Barbie dolls makes you a girl?

This is a film about someone of the male sex who was born a boy and will always be a boy biologically, but who prefers to dress, present herself and behave in a stereotypically female way. Being gender non conforming is great, of course. It would be wonderful if all young people felt comfortable enough to do this. But that does not change your sex, just your gender role.

Whatever kids want to wear, play with or call themselves is entirely up to them to decide and if society has somehow led little boys down a path of believing that playing with certain toys or wearing certain clothes makes them a girl, it’s society that needs to change, not the child

1000x this

What about girls that don’t play with barbies??

How do we know they are girls if they don’t play with barbies OP??

The other thread was deleted from the Trans Children page, a support page.

OP has very, very poor judgement!

@Helleofabore

I'm hoping to show members of this group a real life example of a trans girl interacting with her peers, given that hypothetical interactions between trans girls and their peers are constantly under discussion here.

Ffs! What part of ‘this is a parenting forum and many posters have children still of the age where they are living the theme of the video’! And we know. We actually talk to our children and see them in action.

There is a complete lack of acknowledgement of just who posts on these threads. There is no engagement at all to even find out.

Yes, I think we all know what children of that age hanging out and playing together looks like. This is not some big revelation and has nothing to do with how girls are losing their sex based rights and how the TRAs want grown men to be able to self identify and share spaces with these same girls regardless of the situation they might be in or how vulnerable they might be.

Then there's all the gaslighting, the lies children are being told, the medical intervention that they cannot possibly understand to consent to, etc.

Much, much bigger picuture than some one-sided, one dimensional video clip.

And you know how girls tend to play with Barbie dolls more than boys?

I am getting you don’t spend much time with children? In our house, all kids of all sexed play with whatever is around.

What sexist trope are you perpetuating?

@everythingthelighttouches

Girls may tend to play with barbies more than boys but that doesn’t mean that boys who play with barbies are really girls does it???

No, it doesn't. Gendered behaviour and gender identity are 2 different things, which is why some trans girls are tomboys.

www.newsweek.com/transgender-kids-living-identity-develop-cis-children-1471729

I really don’t feel comfortable watching children having showers on a video - it’s very wrong and filming it goes against child protection rules.

You know how kids like to do what other people in their peer group are doing?

And you know how girls tend to play with Barbie dolls more than boys?

And you know how trans girls see other girls as their peer group?

Wuh?

So, if a girl likes playing football with the boys of a lunchtime, does that mean she is actually a boy? Is that a narrative that you would push onto children?

OP it is not that posters don't know about these things.

It's that the view you are presenting is that a male child who transitions is always to be prioritised in their needs, their feelings and their choices over those of female children. And that it would be preferable to deny or to ignore that some of those female children will suffer in the requirement to put the male child's needs and feelings before their own, even if their own circumstances make it distressing or even impossible to do so.

Female children matter too. Female children's diversity and feelings and needs are equally important to a male child who chooses to transition. And the sexism in this is strongly apparent.

ThreeB

It’s on at least one other active thread still last time I checked. It’s just being posted all over.

This thread has been taken down from another board

@CuriousaboutSamphire

The other thread was deleted from the Trans Children page, a support page.

OP has very, very poor judgement!

Why? I was going to suggest this would be more appropriate in one of the support boards than here?

Transgirl uses girls changing rooms. All the girls were the transgirls friends. "So who could object? Perhaps some younger girl, but what could she do? Nothing". (Direct quote) The girls in their class were not asked how they felt about this.

Just posting this again, so it is clear. Who could object? Perhaps some younger girl, but what could they do?

This is why adults need to take their responsibility and ensure ALL children are comfortable. ALL. Which includes the female children whose voices have now been lost by pressure from not just peers, but f*cking adults.
Better solution is telling the male transgirl they are biologically male and that means they change in the boys. And tell the boys to behave and accept a child that feels different.