Baroness Jones - Men too have a 6pm curfew

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Baroness Jones has been speaking in the House of Lords today and has called for a curfew to be put in place for men to be banned from going outside after 6pm to help women feel safer on the streets after dark.

Would you support this?

I like her style.

That should make a few reconsider their position on this!

Just came here to post about the same.

metro.co.uk/2021/03/11/sarah-everard-green-party-peer-suggests-6pm-curfew-for-men-14226971/

I thought we found out what keeping the bad men indoors and women trapped with them led to during lockdown. Driving the violence indoors achieves what? Overall?

I think she’s lost the plot. Even as a theoretical possibility it doesn’t work. Plus the whole thing that men have human rights too.

Wait! What was the context?

A mandatory curfew for men too contrast with the self imposed curfew many women live with?

It's a talking point, isn't it?

I like the point she's making.

Obviously it won't happen for a myriad of reasons, but it's as good a suggestion as 'women, stay home for your own safety' is.

I think we’d suddenly have an influx of self identifying women out in the evenings

Besides under Green Party “rules” all the men just have to self-identify as “non-men” and in one leap they are exempt.

She must have forgotten that Greens don’t believe in sex.

@YouHaveNoAuthorityHereJackie

I think we’d suddenly have an influx of self identifying women out in the evenings

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She was saying it in response to waves of tweets essentially blaming Sarah Everand for her own abduction and murder, because she walked alone after dark.

People advise women not to walk alone after dark, without acknowledging that the women aren't the problem in the situation.

I think it was meant slightly as a joke ... because it's meant to highlight how absurd it is that women's movements are restricted by the need to keep safe in a way that mens are not, with a extra portion of some people blame women if they don't suitably restrict thier movements

Or to put it another way

You don't like it when it's on your foot do you ? Women put up with it year after year

Thanks! I had assumed that was the case.

@RickiTarr

Besides under Green Party “rules” all the men just have to self-identify as “non-men” and in one leap they are exempt.

She must have forgotten that Greens don’t believe in sex.

Yes exactly this. Of course it was only a matter of time when saying stuff to grab headlines was going to clash with previous stuff said to grab other headlines

@midgedude

I think it was meant slightly as a joke ... because it's meant to highlight how absurd it is that women's movements are restricted by the need to keep safe in a way that mens are not, with a extra portion of some people blame women if they don't suitably restrict thier movements

Or to put it another way

You don't like it when it's on your foot do you ? Women put up with it year after year

Too subtle. Look at the headlines it’s generating, and how are we supposed to tell the irony from the earnestness when this is the party who deemed us “non-men”?

I still, stupidly probably, hold out hope that the GP will get back on course and become voteable again. They won’t regain credibility with gimmicky rhetorical points.

I like her style

Keeping all the men indoors once a week would be nice. I'd even take once a year.

What a great way to raise a talking point!

Meh the bad men will just as happily kill us indoors as outdoors. Jenny should know that.

How about convicting them and locking them up early in their criminal careers? I’ll vote for that. Five years for coercive control or indecent exposure, mandatory minimum. Ten years for first ‘minor’ DV or sexual assault conviction. And so on.

Meh! that's not her immediate point. A point based in the immediate aftermath of the death of a young woman. After the immediate SM comments about a young woman walking home alone. About the social acceptance of women living with a curfew. About women living in fear.

It is possible to make a point without including every possible circumstance a man might choose to be violent towards a woman.

Why the fuck us any woman criticizing this?

@RickiTarr I like your style. I'd go so far as to say life for rape and serious DV (and I do mean life.) We need to get tougher on crimes like this.

There was a thread on here once and I dont know whether it was a MN thread, or off Twitter. It was asking women what they would do if men had a curfew (bio men -although not stated, it was the implication for ALL men).

It was really mundane things like, go for a run at night and feel safe, walk home from the pub, wear headphones on a jog, etc.

It's engaging when you think about it too much.

*enraging ffs. Not engaging 🙄

@FrankButchersDickieBow

There was a thread on here once and I dont know whether it was a MN thread, or off Twitter. It was asking women what they would do if men had a curfew (bio men -although not stated, it was the implication for ALL men).

It was really mundane things like, go for a run at night and feel safe, walk home from the pub, wear headphones on a jog, etc.

It's engaging when you think about it too much.

Yes! Truly mundane. Like many others, when asked, my DH was stunned at the banality of the things I said I'd do!

I think she's making a relevant point.
But, it's a bit rich coming from a Green Party member at the moment. Given their refusal to pass a motion at their recent/current? Conference to protect women's sex based rights.

Why the fuck us any woman criticizing this?

I’ve just told you why. Maybe you’ve never been terrified of a man indoors and that’s informing your view. That happens. Experience shapes opinion.

I spent four years scared shitless in my own home and on the last night I thought I was absolutely about to be killed and thought my small DC would find my body.

My wonderful, gentle, adult son carries the psychological scars of his father’s actions - just as my adult daughter does- and locking him up like a tagged criminal won’t save a single woman.

So I object. On at least three grounds.

I am slightly worried you don’t think I should be allowed a view that is based on my own survival of severe male violence.

Golda Meir said the same in the 70s when it was suggested that a curfew be imposed on women in Israel:

"Men are committing the rapes. Let them be put under curfew".

Unfortunately you'd be wrong in that assumption. You have my sympathies and a fuckload of empathy for what happened to you.

She is doing something to raise the levels of awareness.

She can't cover every eventuality in the time allotted.

The men she was addressing, some of the women too, had no idea what she was talking about. Any change to that is a good thing.

The proposition sounds insane. Of course our husbands, sons, uncles should be allowed to go out after 6pm.