Baroness Jones - Men too have a 6pm curfew

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Baroness Jones has been speaking in the House of Lords today and has called for a curfew to be put in place for men to be banned from going outside after 6pm to help women feel safer on the streets after dark.

Would you support this?

If men commit 99% of violent crime we don't need police during the curfew!

Interesting to see the differences in the view expressed on the topic here and on AIBU:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4189216-too-many-men

To any women who have sons, would you REALLY want their freedoms taken from them because they are seen as a potential criminal.

I definitely want my son to have a realistic understanding of what life is like for me and my daughters.

@Rioja What, by locking them away after 6pm? Yeah right

Baroness Jones has spoken out strongly for women's sex based rights in the green party and she's taken a lot of flak for it. Definitely not a supporter of self-ID.

Baroness Jones has referred to women as terfs on Twitter and is a prominent member of a party that doesn’t recognise women and wants to remove our sex based rights.

She’s a fucking hypocrite

It's making a point.

That it is a ludicrous suggestion to put a curfew on men. Totally bonkers. Most men are fine. So it's not fair.

But it's sensible for all women and girls to be warned from a variety of sources from a pretty early age that there are dangerous men about and essentially they should be aware that they are essentially prey, all of them. The sensible thing to do is to take a variety of common sense precautions.
Any who don't do this well it's up to them but they're being very foolish.

The point is to show this up. God forbid that men as a group have freedom curtailed due to a few bad men.

Basic common sense that women and girls should put constraints on their own lives and freedoms because they are ALL potential prey.

What about one day a year then? How cool would that be.

One day a year with no men about. I know it would never happen but it would be really interesting and I suspect revealing if it happened!

I’ve enjoyed this play on ideas!

It’s missing the end time if the curfew however

I have had a discussion with my partner about this. He is wary of dodgy areas but will happily walk home alone at night.

I will always make sure I bus to near my house (not tram, that drops me off in a semi-industrial estate) or be accompanied or taxi home.

Interestingly, as long as I have one other person with me, even another small woman like me, I would feel safe enough to walk pretty much anywhere. It wouldn't be risk free but it would take the risk to "fighting chance" which is what an average man has all the time.

I'm a man and I'm glad she has spoken up. The debate is important. She has just been on Sky News, so the discussion is making headway. As a minor point, some of the comments on here about how men feel in similar situations are wide of the mark. Not everyone is able to fight, or project aggression, but that is probably a bit nuanced for this particular board.

No, it isn't 'a bit nuanced' for the mainly female posters on this board!

If you read yourself back you might spot the points that undermine the first part of your post!

I’ve seen people responding to this as though it was a suggestion that was actually going to be taken forward. I think the comment was more to make a point about women being asked to not go out late to keep themselves safe.

It’s shocking the amount of people commenting how awful it is she made the suggestion when that exactly what women are repeatedly told to do to keep themselves safe.

@NiceGerbil

What about one day a year then? How cool would that be.

One day a year with no men about. I know it would never happen but it would be really interesting and I suspect revealing if it happened!

Ah this would be a great idea. For men who wanted to show support. Maybe they could do it ok international women’s day to show support.

Yes it is. The homogenised lump of 'men' seemingly have no issues in terms of awareness of anger. Look at the comment above mine - how can someone be wary of danger and yet happy about it? It's a contradiction, unless he is the kind of dickhead who goes looking for fights. Someone else suggested that we won't need the police because men will be at home! Traffic accidents? Domestic calls? City centre drinking? Please....

Anyway, I'm glad she has spoken up. Women should not have to consider the everyday aspects of the shit they go through. An extreme tragedy like this might help the more frequent, less serious undercurrents in society to be addressed. I see some posters still can't help themselves having a pop at her though.

@RickiTarr

Meh the bad men will just as happily kill us indoors as outdoors. Jenny should know that.

How about convicting them and locking them up early in their criminal careers? I’ll vote for that. Five years for coercive control or indecent exposure, mandatory minimum. Ten years for first ‘minor’ DV or sexual assault conviction. And so on.

Yup this.

We don't need sentences to deter other people, it doesn't work. We need sentences that properly punish bad behaviour and locks them away from potential victims for a considerable amount of time. I'm all up for reform work and support when they come out to get their life back on track. But reoffence should exponentially increase sentencing

Ah this would be a great idea.
For men who wanted to show support. Maybe they could do it ok international women’s day to show support.
Surely the men who wanted to do it to show support are the ones least likely to rape and attack you?

To any women who have sons, would you REALLY want their freedoms taken from them because they are seen as a potential criminal

Well that's what mothers of daughters are being told. Keep your daughters in because they are so likely to be attacked and harassed. 1 in 5 women will be raped, 1 in 3 women will be seriously sexually assaulted, just about every woman will suffer what is sadly everyday harassment. NAMALT blah blah, it's an awful lot of men. Yet men are still free, it's women who are restricted because of their actions. There's no logic. After thinking about it, I have no patience with the bleating about men's freedoms being restricted because no one cares about their victims. Something radical has to be done.

@SleepingStandingUp

Ah this would be a great idea. For men who wanted to show support. Maybe they could do it ok international women’s day to show support. Surely the men who wanted to do it to show support are the ones least likely to rape and attack you?

Possibly....though I have known many abusive people who seem charming and respectful on the face of things.

Anyway the point of those types of events is about raising awareness, showing solidarity and starting to shift the social understanding of these issues.

Wearing a pink ribbon doesn’t stop breast cancer, people do it to raise awareness of the issue and charities.

Yet men are still free, it's women who are restricted because of their actions

No women are not restricted. There is no curfew for women. No requirement for a woman to have a male escort/protector to leave the home. Self restriction due to fear and anxiety are nothing like police state enforced curfews.

I need to get offline.
The amount of people who think she was making a serious suggestion to pass curfew into legislation is actually causing me chest pains.

I wonder if these people go running to the window when people say “it’s raining cats and dogs”

Possibly....though I have known many abusive people who seem charming and respectful on the face of things.

Street angel, house devil is a cliché because it's so common.

And, sadly, look at the # of men who claimed to support #MeToo and then had women saying, "Hang on a minute, what about when…"

I think as rhetoric it’s an interesting concept to flip the script so that men as a group can quantify the potential consequences of violence against women directly affecting them instead of the women.

However if anything like this was seriously looking at being implemented I’d strongly disagree with it; I don’t agree with blanket curfews or curfews etc in anything except for a genuine immediate and present threat. Otherwise it’s just sexist totalitarianism.

Apart from anything else I have a lot of male friends so would half the friendship group be unable to socialise with us in the evening?

Segregation hasn’t previously led to any panacea so this suggestion is very fringe surely? I’m surprised it’s been given so much air time.

Valid as a shock tactic/open the conversation and make men take notice? Yes.

Do I actually want this? No way!!

Probably needs to be 8pm so they can get home from work - except for key workers. But yeah, sounds like a good and necessary thing! A great idea. Male violence is the issue.

This idea is a bit like those who are happy with eternal lockdown.

Dh is on a forum and there are quite a few trendy men there (dh is an imposter....). They were all hailing the curfew idea.

BUT these are all middle-aged men with partners and settled lives. As I said, like lockdown lovers, they are at a stage of life when going out in the evening is nice, but not entirely necessary. A young person, however, would not relish no life after 6pm.

Now, I have suffered two serious assaults and in fact I am terrified of walking alone. One thing I would ban is lone men in the countryside and as for flashers (hate this term: trivialises the offence) they should have a lifetime curfew after one incident.