Baroness Jones - Men too have a 6pm curfew

[Mariearistocat]

Baroness Jones has been speaking in the House of Lords today and has called for a curfew to be put in place for men to be banned from going outside after 6pm to help women feel safer on the streets after dark.

Would you support this?

@grenadines

The proposition sounds insane. Of course our husbands, sons, uncles should be allowed to go out after 6pm.

I think that's the point of saying it.

How many times have mother's, sisters, aunt's, daughters not gone out after dark for fear of meeting a violent man?

That's a self imposed curfew. That's insane....

She can't cover every eventuality in the time allotted.

I know it’s complicated but we need sensible policy, not second wave separatist rhetoric that wouldn’t be legally allowable anyway.

Also, on a very practical level, when I worked in a refuge, many women made their escape while their abuser was out drinking in the evening.

I was totally serious when I said the answer was to convict violent and controlling men, before they escalate to murder, and give them long sentences. That should be the first and most obvious policy response. It should not be this hard.

We need to re-establish who the men actually are first, though, thanks to Jenny’s crew.

I’m just exasperated and tired.

I suspect we are all exasperated and tired if all of this.

I know what you mean about women in refuges. But the casual, inherent misogyny, violence also needs to be challenged.

Getting everyone to question their everyday understanding is just bad important.

We can challenge it all.

@WhoWants2Know

She was saying it in response to waves of tweets essentially blaming Sarah Everand for her own abduction and murder, because she walked alone after dark.

People advise women not to walk alone after dark, without acknowledging that the women aren't the problem in the situation.

They aren't, surely to god they aren't. Oh, god the world.

Ridiculous. Of course I would not support a police state & curfew for the half of the population that happen to be born with penises.

Is it worth referring Plan to every reply that came before that?

But you can’t include my Nigel. He wouldn’t hurt anyone.

I wish she'd said within the hours of darkness, rather than 6pm, as that's what the self-imposed women's curfew comes down to for many of us.

I saw a post on social media today, reminding women that if they have a smart watch with GPS, it may have a function that sends out an alert to key contacts if you fall or get hit by a car etc, and that this function can also be activated if you tap the screen, say when someone is about to grab you. Great... but yet another accommodation women have to make to try to protect themselves. How about instead we tag all men and track their movements and activities? Certainly be easier to prove innocence or guilt by location when needed... but wait, that would infringe on their freedoms, darn it. Guess I'll just have to keep restricting my own movements and living with a constant low-level fear that I might be in the wrong place at the wrong time in the wrong outfit...

If all the most ridiculous things I've heard. How is it right, or fair to take away a mans right to leave his home after 6pm. Ffs this world has gone crazy.

Omg , people RTT

It is trying to highlight the absurdity that women face all their lives

Use your anger against the expectations that women are to blame for going out after dark

@Crystalclair

If all the most ridiculous things I've heard. How is it right, or fair to take away a mans right to leave his home after 6pm. Ffs this world has gone crazy.

And yet many women either self-impose a curfew,or have it imposed on them by controlling/overprotective men.

Of course it's an absurd idea which no one is ever going to take seriously. But as a thought experiment - a night a week when men and boys wouldn't be allowed out without a woman chaperone. What effect would that have.

The context, remember, is this:

^ It’s wrong that the response to violence against women requires women to behave differently. In Clapham, police told women not to go out at night this week. Women are not the problem.
^

The police told women not to go out at night. They didn't tell men not to go out.

Still scares me!

The clear evidence that some people only notice the utter ridiculousness of a situation if it affects men.

Including some women (?) here.

@Errol I'm sorry, but its ridiculous. To any women who have sons, would you REALLY want their freedoms taken from them because they are seen as a potential criminal.

Again it is shoving people in 'boxes' en mass.

I think this idea is laughable. Purely because people bang on about equality etc. And the argument of women self imposing curfews is bollocks. Two wrongs do not make a right. Yes something needs to be done, but this is not it.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Still scares me!

The clear evidence that some people only notice the utter ridiculousness of a situation if it affects men.

Including some women (?) here.

Yes - truly I despair when I come off The feminism board

[quote Crystalclair]@Errol I'm sorry, but its ridiculous. To any women who have sons, would you REALLY want their freedoms taken from them because they are seen as a potential criminal.

Again it is shoving people in 'boxes' en mass.

I think this idea is laughable. Purely because people bang on about equality etc. And the argument of women self imposing curfews is bollocks. Two wrongs do not make a right. Yes something needs to be done, but this is not it.[/quote]
Did you not get the words 'absurd' and 'thought experiment' in my post?

A curfew for men? That's unworkable.

Men should be allowed out after 6pm as long as they are accompanied by a women

An actual woman, that is, not a Green Party type 'woman'.

It's funny that people think she is serious and not just pointing out the hypocrisy of expecting women to avoid going out but not men.

The police told women not to go out at night. They didnt tell men not to go out at night

True. But it is in part because the lives of young men (most likely to be attacked, most likely to be killed) are not particularly valued by our society. We are very tolerant of teenage boys being killed, especially those from a working class or BAME background.

It is also the case that, although men dont typically have time based curfews, there are places where they self enforce movements around their neighbourhoods, with some areas becoming no go areas because they dont live on the right estate. So again many do face constraints on their freedom of movement on a daily basis.

That’s the point, Police were going door to door asking women to do just that. We just accept that. When we say oh how about men stay in its unworkable and unfair. Because women love having their lives even more restricted.

I don't think male on male violence is at all acceptable

I do agree there is a difference in response and reporting

I suspect it's more that with male on male violence it's assumed balanced , a fair fight , viewed as more equal ? ( subconsciously)

and the blonde , with pretty face

I think it's a great idea.

Curfew at 6pm for all men, but if the men in a village/town/borough can come up with a plan to keep women safe there they could be allowed to go outside. I bet they'd find a solution bloody fast.

It seems to have created a good talking point. Despite being from the greens who don't know what a woman is!
Lots of men on twitter saying they will just identify as women to go out!

Baroness Jones is not "that sort of" Green.
She has spoken out against the silencing of women, and spoke in the HoL debate to get Mother and Woman put into the MOMA debate.
This is a thought experiment, designed to get people seeing the absurdity of Women being, expected to (effectively) curfew when men don't even have to think about it.

So do we only have female police officers out at night then?