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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

GenderGP... Telegraph expose

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nevertrustaherdofcows · 26/02/2021 21:23

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/26/children-can-order-life-altering-transgender-drugs-bedroom/

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nevertrustaherdofcows · 26/02/2021 21:27

Some extracts:

"Foreign doctors are prescribing powerful sex change hormones to 15-year-olds in England without their parents’ involvement, a Telegraph investigation has found. ‘’

"GenderGP, an online transgender healthcare services clinic, uses a legal loophole to flout NHS rules to issue valid prescriptions which can then be used to obtain the medication from pharmacies in Britain.

"The sex change, or “cross-sex” hormones irreversibly change users’ bodies over the course of treatment and can also leave users infertile.

"An undercover Telegraph reporter posing as a 15-year old girl was prescribed testosterone – the male hormone, which is a controlled drug – after just two Skype appointments with counsellors and one Skype appointment with a doctor at the online clinic.

"Staff never asked to speak to her parents nor demand proof that any adult knew of her plans to transition, beyond a single email from a 20-year-old half-brother confirming that he would pay for treatment.

"Lead counsellor, Marianne Oakes, said they did not require her parents’ “permission”.

"Staff accepted at face value the reporter’s stated belief that she was really male, telling her “we’re not worried about your truth because there’s no debate about that”..

GenderGP defended its practices on Thursday, claiming that “not all parents are supportive” and that when a young patient is able to consent to their treatment “in their own right, then that treatment can be appropriate and necessary”...

"The reporter, posing as a 15-year-old, received a prescription for a four-month supply of 'Testogel', during which time her voice could irreversibly deepen and facial hair start to grow.

"It was signed by a doctor in Romania, who the Telegraph has identified as a geriatrician also trained in administering Botox. GenderGP does not offer patients the chance of an appointment with her, even though she authorises the medication. Instead they are directed to a doctor in Egypt, who told the reporter that it was “excellent” that, aged 15, she knew she never wanted to have children....

"We were also made aware of messages posted on a moderated chat forum hosted by Mermaids, a support group for trans minors which has ties with schools, where children had described how they had been able to obtain prescriptions from GenderGP."

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Cwenthryth · 26/02/2021 21:29

Not surprising at all. Horrifying, but sadly not surprising. Glad it’s getting proper coverage, I hope this is taken up by other outlets as well.

JosieJarker · 26/02/2021 21:32

The biggest mystery to me in all of this is how the hell helen Webberly sleeps at night or looks herself in the mirror.
Some off label drug we dont know about maybe?
Or sociopathy.

CaveMum · 26/02/2021 21:34

Nothing surprise me about this lot. They were cited in the tragic case of a young autistic person local to me who committed suicide.

www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/transgender-teen-resorted-online-treatments-16046382

www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/transgender-treatment-nhs-webberley-jayden-16504026

Cwenthryth · 26/02/2021 21:38

@JosieJarker

The biggest mystery to me in all of this is how the hell helen Webberly sleeps at night or looks herself in the mirror. Some off label drug we dont know about maybe? Or sociopathy.
Money. Honestly I think that’s all it is. Money and adulation and woke cookies.

CaveMum friendly advice I’d report your own post to get the “misgendering” changed - yes, I know I know, but the monitors will be all over it and the young person in that tragic case identifed as male. Thems the rules we have to play by. If an unfriendly visitor reports it you could get a strike.

CaveMum · 26/02/2021 21:39

@Cwenthryth true, thanks for pointing this out.

JosieJarker · 26/02/2021 21:46

Oh yea I had forgotten about money (I dont have any).
Money talks.
Money talks.
Dirty cash I want you,
dirty cash I need you.
Very dirty cash indeed. I hope she has nightmares. Shes a fucking ghoul..

gardenbird48 · 26/02/2021 21:47

I mentioned this on the other thread but yesterday I had to fill in three online forms with home address, GP details, etc for my children to consent to them having a Covid test when they get back to school.

Three forms, three instances of consent, given by me the responsible parent (as mother, in law I automatically have primary parental responsiblity as I learned by looking at the judgement on the Freddy McConnell case) to allow my u16 children just to be TESTED for a virus. I've signed consent forms for pretty much any adult interaction with my children. I think it even came down to school being allowed to put a plaster on a graze.

GenderGP have said that they treat children without parental consent (or knowledge in some cases). Even though they've created a deliberately opaque ownership network, are operating mainly in the UK to all intents and purposes.

I can't get my head around the situation that allows them to circumvent every safeguarding standard put in place in this country and carry on as they are.

Does it come down to a lack of will to stop them? I'm not sure who would start with this - would it be the GMC (obviously not going to do anything if they could as they are totally captured)? Does this need government intervention? I know our Baroness Nicholson has raised this specific issue.

JosieJarker · 26/02/2021 21:51

Actually scrap that, I hope she ends up in prison where she clearly belongs.
I dont understand how they are getting away with this, especially in light of the Bell case.

FindTheTruth · 26/02/2021 21:52

that suicide is heartbreaking. 'He was just living for the day he would just be a proper boy."'

nauticant · 26/02/2021 21:53

I would welcome comments by any trans widows looking in:

www.gendergp.com/my-story-marianne-oakes/

Melroses · 26/02/2021 21:53

Well, as long as the 20 year old half brother will cough up the dosh.

What a racket Hmm

ArabellaScott · 26/02/2021 21:59

Surely to goodness this is illegal? Does this mean that children can effectively just call up and order any drugs they wish, if it comes from abroad?

rogdmum · 26/02/2021 22:08

It’s been archived here (thanks to a wonderful Twitterer):

archive.is/EKbP5

ArabellaScott · 26/02/2021 22:10

Lead counsellor Marianne Oakes' describes their areas of expertise on their counselling profile:

'Transgender, Gay, Lesbian and Bisexuality, sexuality, Kink, Polyamory, adults and young people all ages and generations'

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210226220226/www.counselling-directory.org.uk/counsellors/marianne-oakes-counselling" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20210226220226/www.counselling-directory.org.uk/counsellors/marianne-oakes-counselling

And a quote from Oakes in an article in the Metro:

'Trans boys make up the overwhelming majority of the young people I work with as a therapist'.

Read more: metro.co.uk/2020/11/19/as-a-trans-counsellor-i-see-the-pain-people-go-through-to-be-believed-13617759/?ito=cbshare

teawamutu · 26/02/2021 23:30

Came in to see if anyone had posted the archive link. Even with my low expectations, unbelievable.

And of course Mermaids are mentioned. Of course they are.

JosieJarker · 26/02/2021 23:37

'Trans boys make up the overwhelming majority of the young people I work with as a therapist'.
Well no shit.
Wasnt there supposed to be an enquiry into the 4000% increase in teenage girls presenting at gender clinics?
What happened to it?

unwashedanddazed · 27/02/2021 00:25

They seem particularly focused on making sure the fictional half-brother will pay for the treatment. I wonder what happened to that crowd funding they started after the Bell case, meant to 'help' patients with no income - just like this fifteen year old.

Xanthangum · 27/02/2021 07:30

Bizarrely, they appear to have issued a rebuttle that confirms nearly every detail to be true.

It's like they are proud of being outlaws, fighting the good fight etc etc. Arrogant as well as deluded and dangerous.

www.gendergp.com/uk-media-promotes-climate-of-fear-for-trans-youth-gendergp-telegraph-response/

PaleBlueMoonlight · 27/02/2021 07:33

Could someone also archive the rebuttal by gendergp? The protections on my computer don’t let me access the archive site for some reason. Very important to capture what is said.

MangoSeason · 27/02/2021 07:36

Horrifying. If I wasn’t born in the 1970s, I would have been one of these children buying this poison online.

Gcnq · 27/02/2021 07:40

Does the article mention the Webberlies? And how they were stuck off in the UK? So moved to Spain or somewhere?

Cwenthryth · 27/02/2021 07:43

They seem to see themselves as some kind of saviour/hero/revolutionary. Personally I see them as exploiting vulnerable people for their own financial gain and kudos. Which I find pretty disgusting. Nearly £700 for 3 Skype calls and a prescription to be sent??? For a minor without her own means of income, relying on a university student to pay for her?? I think that probably doesn’t even include the medication itself btw - you would pay the pharmacy directly for that, I’ve filled private prescriptions in the U.K. several times and that’s how it worked. But that level of cost is pretty eye watering profiteering.

highame · 27/02/2021 07:44

I would say 'oh perhaps the police should be involved' but the police are captured, so they would be coming after whoever reported them Confused

Xanthangum · 27/02/2021 07:45

Yes it does:

Founder's controversial past
GenderGP is no stranger to controversy. Its founder, GP Dr Helen Webberley, has been suspended by the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service since 2018 after she prescribed hormones to a child aged 12 – although no finding of fact has been made against her practice.

She was later fined for running an unlicensed trans clinic from her home in Monmouthshire, and is due to face a “substantive” General Medical Council hearing in July.

Eventually, she relocated to Spain and the company was reinvented as a complex international structure which navigates around the rules in England and Wales, and exploits a loophole which makes prescriptions signed by doctors registered anywhere in the EU valid for use at British pharmacies.