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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Urgent action for those in Scotland

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SusanSmithFWS · 05/12/2020 18:58

The amazing Johann Lamont has put in an amendment to the forensic medical services bill. This is a really important piece of legislation which seeks to make the process easier for rape victims and we support it. We are concerned, however, that although the women who testified that access to a female examiner was the most important concern, the bill still refers to the gender - instead of sex - of the examiner.

Sex, unlike gender, is defined in the Equality Act and there is provision for recruitment under schedule 9. We believe that a small change will ensure that there is no ambiguity.

We would urge anyone from Scotland to please write to all eight of their MSPs and ask them to support the motion.

As Susan Dalgety reported in the Scotsman:
Her amendment may be only six words long – “for the word ‘gender’ substitute ‘sex’” – but it gets to the heart of the current debate about who counts as a woman.

“Women should be able to choose the sex of the person who conducts the investigation,” Johann told me last night. “This is a key test for the Parliament, which is committed to rooting action in the understanding of experience. Women courageously and powerfully spoke up so that others might fare better than them.

“The amendment is tiny but would be a huge step in listening to survivors. The committee was convinced. The Parliament should be too.”

Six words can make a world of difference.

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/transgender-debate-msps-must-stand-womens-sex-based-rights-key-vote-bill-help-rape-victims-susan-dalgety-3057640

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 05/12/2020 20:20

Thanks for this. It is unbelievable that the Scottish Government are arguing against this change - what possible reason is there not to have sex?

ChristmasSlayRide · 05/12/2020 20:26

Pmk to do tomorrow. 💪

Iamhangingin · 05/12/2020 20:27

Done! Saw this on women for Scotland. Can't believe this is even a discussion point?!

334bu · 05/12/2020 20:31

Important email from For Women Scotland regarding an amendment to this Bill

**Hello everyone!
An important amendment (Para 28) has been proposed to the Forensic Medical Services Bill which will be debated and voted on by MSPs on the 10th December. At the moment the Bill states that people who have been subjected to rape and sexual assault have the right to choose the "gender" of their medical examiner - the amendment calls for "gender" to be changed to "sex".

"Sex" and "gender" are not interchangeable terms and it is only by using the legally defined term "sex" that individuals undergoing forensic examination can be guaranteed their choice of examiner, and not potentially face further distress and trauma. We hope you will join us in supporting this amendment and contact your MSPs to ask them to vote in favour of it.

Time is very short, so please contact your MSPs today and ask them to support this amendment!

Please remember to contact all seven of your Regional MSPs as well as your Constituency MSP - just put in your postcode HERE to find their email addresses.

It needn't be a long email, a few lines will do. If you wish, you can also explain why this amendment is important to you, or refer your MSPs to our article that was published in the Herald for background information. The full text is given below as this includes the relevant links to supporting evidence.

The Scotsman has also written in detail about the amendment today, see here.

Thank you - together we can make a difference!

Background information - the following is from an article in the Herald on 7th November:

A little talked about Bill on Forensic Medical Services is currently progressing through Parliament which aims to improve conditions for those subjected to rape or sexual assault, allowing for self-referral to a health service for the collection of forensic evidence and deferring any decision to report the crime to the police until a later date. Central to this proposed law is the right for a person to request that the "medical examination be carried out by a registered medical practitioner of a gender specified by the person”. [my emphasis]

With that one word the Scottish Government has once again entered the fray of the self-identification of sex debate, which in this instance would allow male practitioners who declare themselves to be women to be included in the pool of female doctors requested by rape victims. They need not have obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate or even made any changes to their appearance.

The cruelty of specifying gender and not sex cannot be underestimated. Evidence given by Rape Crisis Scotland states that "The single most common complaint we hear from survivors of sexual crime about their experience of the forensic examination is lack of access to female doctors."

Traumatised women should not be re-traumatised by unexpectedly encountering a male doctor (regardless of his personal gender) after requesting treatment from a female doctor. Nor should victims feel they must self-exclude from medical services due to uncertainty over being guaranteed a female medical practitioner, or fear accusations of bigotry for making such a request. Unfortunately, numerous such cases have already made the headlines.

To their credit, members of the Committee who are scrutinising the Bill have recommended its amendment to say “sex” instead of “gender”. The Government has chosen to disregard this, stating it is “not immediately convinced there is legislative ambiguity”.

This is a peculiar stance to take as conflation between sex and gender, and the ensuing conflicts between women’s and transgender rights are prominent in other legislation such as the Gender Recognition Act reform and the Census amendment, to the extent they are splitting the SNP down the middle.

What is not in any doubt, is that the term “gender” is not defined in any law. Both Scottish and UK Governments, as well as the Equality and Human Rights Commission, are clear that sex and gender are not synonymous. Sex is defined in the Equality Act as a “reference to a man or a woman”, and a woman as a “female of any age”. The Government has even gone so far as setting up a working group to ensure the two categories remain distinct from each other - which may have been instructive had the pandemic not postponed its work.

In order to train and recruit more female examiners health boards need to be able to use the Genuine Occupational Requirements, which are based on sex, and specified in the Equality Act. Trying to recruit on gender leads to confusing policies which breach sex discrimination laws. Similar ambiguity over gender has already led to health boards reintroducing mixed-sex wards and policies encouraging cross-dressers into female changing rooms.

It is essential the Bill clearly states what it promises to deliver. The wellbeing and recovery of rape victims is paramount and they are entitled to request a female examiner and know that this is exactly what will be provided. This can only be achieved if the correct terminology in law is used. Sex matters.**

Daughterofmabel · 05/12/2020 23:03

Bumping

littlbrowndog · 05/12/2020 23:28

Bump

MerchedCymru · 06/12/2020 00:46

Bumping. These apparently unimportant linguistic decisions are being used to undermine women's rights to single-sex provision. Sex matters.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 06/12/2020 01:14

Is it worth writing from outside Scotland, or would that be automatically discarded?

BetsyM00 · 06/12/2020 12:09

It's a good thought thinkingaboutLangCleg but I think this is more about everyone in Scotland lobbying their individual MSPs to vote on Thursday.

I just want to remind everyone not to just contact their constituency MSP but to also write to all seven of the regional/list MSPs, as they'll be voting on this too. Enter your postcode here to find out who they are, along with their email addresses.

I'm hoping lots of emails will be waiting for them first thing Monday morning!

xxyzz · 06/12/2020 12:20

Bump

bluebling · 06/12/2020 12:24

Done

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 06/12/2020 17:56

Bump

SusanSmithFWS · 06/12/2020 18:10

Thank you all. We think party groups will be discussing tomorrow, so really important to keep emailing.

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purplebutterflybiscuits · 06/12/2020 19:24

I have just emailed my local MSPs. Thank you so much to For Women Scotland for bringing things like this to my attention.

Morechocolateneeded · 06/12/2020 23:23

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NonnyMouse1337 · 07/12/2020 01:18

Thank you. I've emailed all my MSPs.

Morechocolateneeded · 07/12/2020 08:19

Done this through WriteToThem - v easy way of doing it.

334bu · 07/12/2020 08:28

Must remember write to them for next time.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 07/12/2020 10:42

I always use WriteToThem too, very easy (bump!)

Morechocolateneeded · 07/12/2020 11:51

It will be awful if they sell women who have been raped down the river for the sake of trans ideology. Such a betrayal of women in Scotland.

ScoldsBridle · 07/12/2020 12:03

Am going to do this - thanks for the tip about Write to Them!

littlbrowndog · 07/12/2020 12:22

Good piece here
wingsoverscotland.com/the-human-sacrifices/

ArabellaScott · 07/12/2020 12:30

Have sent, but don't hold out much hope for my constituency MSP, who is an arrogant arse. Will update if I receive any responses.

Morechocolateneeded · 07/12/2020 13:16

This really is beyond crap. Everything and everyone is being thrown under the bus.

Morechocolateneeded · 07/12/2020 13:17

Arabella - can you write to your regional MSPs too - you can write to 7 or 8 MSPs, not just 1. Write to Them tells you who they are and you just have to type in the content once.