Gay men's magazine bullied into grovelling

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twitter.com/BoyzMagazine/status/1332052779871965186

Looks like they're gunning for gay men now. Anything other than complete agreement is no good.

Readers here will be used to this sort of insanity:
twitter.com/robholley/status/1332054419337334789
I wonder if it will wake up those who have not seen it before?

It is now a mental image I will see everytime I see one of these poster’s who continue to push the ‘far right’ extremist view. Thanks Prawn.

I do encourage the pushing of the rhetoric that it is a far right movement. It nicely shows off how cut off from reality these posts really are. Keep it up please!!

OvaHere, thanks for the link. I thought I'd watch 5 or 10 minutes while I made my lunch and they held me to the very end.

*brick, sorry.

Well known, and well respected LGBT people from Peter Tatchell to Ruth Hunt to Owen Jones have been viciously and relentlessly smeared with sometimes horrifying insinuations

What, specifically are the 'horrifying insinuations' that Peter Tatchell has been 'smeared' with?

@Datun

There is no solidarity, only the eternally wagging finger.

It's an end in itself. Why do people like JJ and MBD give a single fuck if there is a group set up exclusively for lesbian and gay people or a magazine exclusively for gay men?

What on earth's it got to do with them?

And yet they're fuming over it.

Lol am I fuming or am i Adrian Mole?

I love how I attempted to answer those very questions, with links to further reading, and said you were free to ignore it all, tell each other what you want to hear, and remain perplexed. You couldn't shoot the messenger fast enough!

And yet here you are...

@madbaddaddy your 'evidence' is laughable. That's why it was dismissed.

You're telling people that their friend is erasing them, or trying to coerce them into sex when the vast majority of LGB people explicitly state this is not happening

hmm, no I think we are just reporting what we see out there in the big bad world with our own eyes. If these people who are telling lesbians that they are transphobic and to suck their ld*cks aren't with you, then maybe you should disown and attack them with the same vigour that the gay magazine has been? What about the venerable Ruth Hunt's rather bizarre attack on lesbians - sisterhood? not so much.

Anyway, maybe there aren't as many lesbians around any more, the one I did know has become trans because 'with help' she has dealt with her 'inner transphobia'. hmm.

Anyway, you can't be invited to all the parties all the time. Why don't you let the lesbians and gays do their thing and if it is no good and no one supports them, then fine - but if they succeed, surely it is no skin off your nose.

Have any S&M magazines been targeted for humiliation and re-education?

Would they mind?

I don’t think anyone ‘shot down the messenger’! Some of us educated ourselves and found your links lacking in the very evidence you insist was there.

Maybe since you are still here, you provide exactly where in that open democracy document it states that LGB alliance (or any group being reported to be funded by The Heritage group) is funded by these far right donations.

@SunsetBeetch

Was here for a good while before that. I come b/c i care :)

I have watched the webinar now and yes, anyone who believes that sex can be changed medically (not legally as we know about GRCs), or that sex is on a spectrum, and following that, that same sex orientation is transphobic would find this webinar unsafe. Because these men take the view that gender presentation should certainly be respected, but medically sex cannot changed and it impacts on other group’s rights and needs. They also express concern that gay boys can be harmed through the homophobia that is growing with this movement.

It was a good webinar where some of the men had differing views on some topics but there was no hyperbole or cancelling of opinions. I thought it interesting to learn about some gay men’s views on this.

@gardenbird48

You're telling people that their friend is erasing them, or trying to coerce them into sex when the vast majority of LGB people explicitly state this is not happening

hmm, no I think we are just reporting what we see out there in the big bad world with our own eyes. If these people who are telling lesbians that they are transphobic and to suck their ld*cks aren't with you, then maybe you should disown and attack them with the same vigour that the gay magazine has been? What about the venerable Ruth Hunt's rather bizarre attack on lesbians - sisterhood? not so much.

Anyway, maybe there aren't as many lesbians around any more, the one I did know has become trans because 'with help' she has dealt with her 'inner transphobia'. hmm.

Anyway, you can't be invited to all the parties all the time. Why don't you let the lesbians and gays do their thing and if it is no good and no one supports them, then fine - but if they succeed, surely it is no skin off your nose.

Yes I know you've seen some tweets. But the reality is, as LGBT people know, all the terrible things you claim are not happening. They are so not happening that GC activists are reduced to going round putting up stickers claiming gential preferences are tranphobic because you're so desperate to try and convince it is happening. And it's not working, you may be able to fool some of the people all of the time but the rest can recognise dishonest propaganda that bears no relation to the lives of LGBT people when they see it.

There are more people identifying as LGB than ever before btw: www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/06/number-people-identify-lesbian-gay-bisexual-uk-high

No-one has any objection to LGB people doing their own thing. The objection is to a group, whch barely seems to mention bisexual people, attempting to split apart the community and inciting hatred towards trans people. LGBT people see you, and the more you double down on the rhetoric the more alienated from the vast majority of LGBT people you become. So carry on by all means.

"Seen some tweets"

Would you go away to hell with your minimising nonsense.

You're wrong. You don't speak for everyone. Other people have rights and views also and you don't get to decide for them.

@Defaultname

Have any S&M magazines been targeted for humiliation and re-education?

Would they mind?

but the rest can recognise dishonest propaganda

🤣 What a shame they don't recognise their own, eh?

Dishonest? Lesbians were scorned for protesting it at Pride. Bit weird that they'd bother protesting something that's not real. A young lesbian was forced to make 2 or 3 grovelling apology videos because she said she didn't want dick. She was in tears because of the abuse. Blaire White, a transwoman, had noticed it happening and spoke out against it, and the community said they were disappointed with Blaire's attitude. But it's not happening??

as LGBT people know, all the terrible things you claim are not happening

We're not 'claiming' it, we're simply speaking about what we've seen. You conveniently ignore the lesbians that are saying it is a problem for them. And trust me, there are plenty. Not all white, middle class, far right, privileged and over age 30 lesbians either, before those words start to get flung around again as a way to dismiss their experiences.

Was that link supposed to be some sort of proof of the funding behind the LGB Alliance, which was what was asked for? The article didn't even mention them.

It's this sort of changing the question or reusing to give specific answers that shows me there is no real argument. And why I assume certain posters aren't really interested in discussing in good faith.

@DeaconBoo

Was that link supposed to be some sort of proof of the funding behind the LGB Alliance, which was what was asked for? The article didn't even mention them.

It's this sort of changing the question or reusing to give specific answers that shows me there is no real argument. And why I assume certain posters aren't really interested in discussing in good faith.

Bit hard to have any sort of discussion when my posts cause a thaw and get reported.

Sorry, not sure what "cause a thaw" means. But you dodged the question again and changed the subject!

"b/c they were transphobes" is a great way to justify misogyny, isn't it?

You have to hand it to the movement - they are great propandists. It's the best way to be shit to women since the branding of anti-choice as 'pro life'.