Gay men's magazine bullied into grovelling

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twitter.com/BoyzMagazine/status/1332052779871965186

Looks like they're gunning for gay men now. Anything other than complete agreement is no good.

Readers here will be used to this sort of insanity:
twitter.com/robholley/status/1332054419337334789
I wonder if it will wake up those who have not seen it before?

Honestly, the only thing I got from MadBadDaddy’s post was:

ne ne ne ne neh neh!!!

it's very "Secret Diary of Adrian Mole, age 13 3/4", isn't it?

Spot on

And i agree with other posters, women are seen as a soft target for language changes, but it is slowly seeping towards gay men with comments about genital preference being transphobic and will transmen on grinder (apparently...its not something i check out)

Im disappointed to be honest

Not in the magazine or the twitter...just to clarify 😀

it's very "Secret Diary of Adrian Mole, age 13 3/4", isn't it?

Indeed. In my head, I'm hearing 'and then, the teacher made everyone look at ME. Fnar, fnar'.

If there's one thing that's guaranteed to send you up the snowy heights, it's having your livelihood threatened and then being forced to make a public, grovelling apology against your will.

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I am still waiting for the evidence of the funding of the LGB Alliance. I think it might be ‘because someone said so’. The Alliance was set up by experienced activists, who I am sure would do great things with the money from these fictitious backers than they have.

Looking forward to seeing the receipts as they say......

Also, in this upcoming edition of ‘immature ejaculatorzzzzz’, they could also discuss the ‘bisexual gay’ like the ‘bisexual lesbian’ because I admit to being confused by these terms I have seen springing up on twitter. You know, the place where only the true LGBTQIA+ community hang out apparently.

It just makes it more and more important for folk who are 'unassailable' or have nothing to lose to speak out. As a society, we're essentially being infiltrated and then occupied by hostile elements. Free speech gone, women's rights eroded, homophobia in resurgence.

Am I the only one who thinks that this actually is the beginning of the end of this?

Am I wrong to think that it has gone this far due to a combination of female socialisation and (some) men not caring or (most) not thinking about women’s rights? I think that a lot of male born pushing this are bullies who would not attack other men (well they do seem to start to make an exemption for gay men, which could or could not be a sign of disrespect and/or homophobia).

Are women too sensible in this? In that we alway have the arguments that we do not agree with the whole construct?

Would be be better to start arguing that although we do not agree with the construct, it has to be equal?

So “men screening for prostrate cancer” - although we disagree with this language, it has to be equal, so it has to be prostrate owners, otherwise it is unequal and may be transphobic!

The gay magazine not including the rubbish above? It has to be included if it is in the lesbian magazines. Otherwise it is unequal and maybe transphobic!

Gay men not sleeping with trans men? If lesbians are encouraged to sleep with trans women, gay men has to be encouraged to sleep with trans men, otherwise it is unequal and maybe transphobic!

Straight men not dating and having sex with trans women? If lesbians are transphobic for not dating trans women, straight men has to date trans women, otherwise it is unequal and maybe transphobic!

I see this ending quite quickly if that is the case. And I don’t see activists targeting straight men to call them prostrate owners and forcing them to accept trans women.

But am I wrong to think that a constant push for that in the name of equality whilst still maintaining that it is rubbish will expose that the emperor has no clothes?

[quote MadBadDaddy]twitter.com/GcHomophobia/status/1330813550156189696

www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/trump-us-christian-spending-global-revealed/[/quote]
Some huge reaching going on there!

I am still waiting for the evidence of the funding of the LGB Alliance.

Sometimes people actually read the "receipts"

The LGBTQ community came together en masse

LOL, haven't you missed out at least 12 different letters on the end of LGBTQ? How very non-inclusive of you. ;)

When people start sharing Twitter threads of well respected gay rights activists, claiming that they are "homophobes" then I think we've reached peak stupid. Most of us have too much self-respect to bow down to a bunch of puritanical idiots on the internet who rank their lifetime achievements by number of likes/retweets. It really is the most shallow, self-indulgent, anti-intellectual form of activism I've ever seen.

Am I wrong to think that it has gone this far due to a combination of female socialisation and (some) men not caring or (most) not thinking about women’s rights? I think that a lot of male born pushing this are bullies who would not attack other men (well they do seem to start to make an exemption for gay men, which could or could not be a sign of disrespect and/or homophobia).

I think this whole issue will really only go mainstream when it affects people who have a voice. People, sadly, don't care about vulnerable women locked up with a 20 stone rapist. They don't care about a victim of domestic violence who has to share a refuge with an abusive man who claims he's a woman. They don't care about orthodox Jewish women who can't use a women-only pool once men are admitted to it. They do, it seems, care a little bit about men being allowed to compete in women's sport, because, well, anyone can see that's unfair.

Even so, that's not enough. I think it will probably take some high profile gay man who objects to being told off about his "genital fetish" or some equally high-profile heterosexual man who doesn't like having his teenage daughter share a changing room with a male-bodied individual for this to hit wider public consciousness. Those are the people who are likely to be listened to if they kick up a fuss.

@carlaCox

When people start sharing Twitter threads of well respected gay rights activists, claiming that they are "homophobes" then I think we've reached peak stupid. Most of us have too much self-respect to bow down to a bunch of puritanical idiots on the internet who rank their lifetime achievements by number of likes/retweets. It really is the most shallow, self-indulgent, anti-intellectual form of activism I've ever seen.

Quite.

Thanks for those links MBD. They point to conspiracy theories though. unless you have something more concrete??

And if you are drawing conclusions because one person might happen to speak at a Surrogacy discussion run by The Heritage group that another group that person belongs to is funded by the Heritage Group.... it’s a long bow.

Many people also can have affiliations with different groups. For instance, are you saying all of labour supporters believe exactly the same thing? Really?

I think anyone reading this thread will see the evidence for what it is.

Will gay men really stop reading this magazine, are the people complaining actually subscribers or just the usual crowd?

This is all very sad

Sometimes people actually read the "receipts"

We do indeed and so will others reading this thread.

It all fits though. I have seen a very low set bar for evidence from some of our posters, but this one is excellent for showing just how low.

The Open Democracy report even states they have NO information about which organizations receive any of these donations.

@Winesalot

Do they never stop to think that ppl youve bullied into submission are not actually on your side?

I think it doesn’t matter to the bullies if the victims of bullying are only superficially performing adherence to the demands. In this time of social media, that superficiality is usually deemed enough for stats, for the reporting of support.

It is hugely interesting to hear a male perspective on the ‘solidarity’ of the LGB because I remember many conversations I have had with a friend who was a foundation member of a very early group (formed late 70s) that is very large today.

Those conversations were always about the constant battles for women to actually get any support from the gay men. And it was still very much evident even in the 2000s when she and many of her lesbian friends left. Because the support was always for the males and females had to fight to be included. After watching some of the males who have prominent positions in that group that I came across socially at industry events, the misogyny was very easy to see.

I guess if you have always been part of the group that gained the most benefit of the group’s efforts, you might not even notice the inequity in those benefits.

This is absolutely right. Much of performative trans activism is about power.

Take the pressure on non-trans people to "state their pronouns". This is supposedly to make trans people feel comfortable that they are accepted, they know who is "safe". Which is fine so long as non-trans people stating pronouns is completely voluntary.

As soon as you start exerting pressure that logic completely disappears. If everyone starts doing pronouns then you won't know if it's genuine or just people conforming because they fear it will count against them at work or with their wokier friends. So the only reason for exerting pressure on the issue is to enforce conformity because it makes you feel powerful, not because it's somehow necessary to your "safety".

When I look back on gender-nonconforming stars of the eighties - the Boy Georges, the Marilyns etc they all seemed pretty comfortable in their skins, they were very "this is me and I'm not bothered what other people think". You very rarely see anyone non-binary say "This is me and I'm happy this way and I'm not bothered about what anyone else calls me or thinks of me." (Eddie Izzard might be one exception). It's always "you MUST call me this and you MUST call me that and if you don't you're committing VIOLENCE against me and you are EVIL." The dynamic is completely different.

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

it's very "Secret Diary of Adrian Mole, age 13 3/4", isn't it?

Spot on

And i agree with other posters, women are seen as a soft target for language changes, but it is slowly seeping towards gay men with comments about genital preference being transphobic and will transmen on grinder (apparently...its not something i check out)

The new phrase for many gay men is "TRA in the streets, GC in the sheets."

I did see a transman on a gay Reddit forum complaining that when they had hookups the men wanted anal sex rather than vaginal. Not quite sure why gay men wanting gay sex came as a surprise but still!

I have to wonder how many transitioners have a realistic idea of what life is going to be like. Do teenage girls claiming to be gay men watch any gay porn or in any way try to get a realistic idea of gay men's sexuality? It seems not.

It really is the most shallow, self-indulgent, anti-intellectual form of activism I've ever seen.

Indeed it is. It never ceases to amaze me how a person can be accused of homophobia by someone who thinks homosexuality doesn't even exist!

None of the Christian right groups we studied reveals who its donors are, or discloses details of how exactly it spends its money overseas. is what that open democracy link states. So, no evidence then.

And I recommend people do go and read that twitter thread. It is full of tweets supporting women and children from what I see. How can someone who has daddy in their username not support children’s rights to be safe and to have medical treatment that is tailored to their needs (their’s not a ‘community’s’?

Yes, yes. Please do go read that twitter thread and evaluate the tweets it singles out in the context of the discussions they were part of for yourself.

I have to wonder how many transitioners have a realistic idea of what life is going to be like. Do teenage girls claiming to be gay men watch any gay porn or in any way try to get a realistic idea of gay men's sexuality? It seems not.

I fear they form most of their beliefs about gay male sex from reading slash fanfiction on Tumblr and Archive of Our Own. The fact that this is largely male on male erotica written by straight women for an audience of straight women seems to have sailed over their heads (it's the female erotica equivalent of VHS classics with titles like "lipstick lesbians get it on while the plumber watches".)