Gay men's magazine bullied into grovelling

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twitter.com/BoyzMagazine/status/1332052779871965186

Looks like they're gunning for gay men now. Anything other than complete agreement is no good.

Readers here will be used to this sort of insanity:
twitter.com/robholley/status/1332054419337334789
I wonder if it will wake up those who have not seen it before?

I would be interested to know how many females work on the editorial team at Boyz...

Irritating when people don’t engage with your point constructively, isn’t it?

Lol

If you were a magazine for gay men and you wanted to make a point about how much you supported trans people, and you truly believed that transwomen are women and transmen are men, would you choose a transwoman or a transman to be your 'trans affairs' editor?

I don't see what difference that would make?
I mean, there seems to be a conflating of two separate issues -

• whether you believe trans women are women / trans men are men,
• whether you support trans people or not

You can support trans rights of both trans men and trans women if you're gay/a gay magazine?
So I don't see why there can't be a trans affairs editor who is trans themselves.
Regardless of whether man or woman.

Lol

Careful, you're not allowed to lol, the lol police will be after ya.

@Quaagars

If you were a magazine for gay men and you wanted to make a point about how much you supported trans people, and you truly believed that transwomen are women and transmen are men, would you choose a transwoman or a transman to be your 'trans affairs' editor?

I don't see what difference that would make?
I mean, there seems to be a conflating of two separate issues -

• whether you believe trans women are women / trans men are men,
• whether you support trans people or not

You can support trans rights of both trans men and trans women if you're gay/a gay magazine?
So I don't see why there can't be a trans affairs editor who is trans themselves.
Regardless of whether man or woman.

You are either deliberately being obtuse or a bit dim so I will spell it out for you:

Boyz Magazine clearly dont believe that trans men are actually men - if they did then, being a magazine for gay men they would choose a trans man to be the trans affairs editor. The reason they didn't was because they know that transmen are women, with yukky vaginas and all, who don't know anything at all about being a gay bloke. Plus, trans men are not good enough to be pioneers in anything trans related at all - oh, apart from having babies of course. So the obvious choice was always going to be a transwoman.

It's the same old misogynistic shite packaged differently.

I doubt there are many if any women editing a gay men's magazine. Interesting that having a transwoman is seen as important. Shows sex is more important than gender identity. Good move.

whoosh

You are either deliberately being obtuse or a bit dim so I will spell it out for you

Heaven forbid anyone should have a different opinion, doesn't mean they're dim or being deliberately obtuse.

Do you mind me asking, is there either an explicit or implicit expectation that you are part of the gay men's community in whatever way if you are the editor of a gay man's magazine?

Ie that you are same sex attracted?

The reason they didn't was because they know that transmen are women, with yukky vaginas

Who the fuck said anything like that, that sounds like some sort of projection
Only person talking about vaginas being yukky is you

Quaagars I think it's the 'regardless of whether man or woman' that people are confused about.

The gay men's press has, traditionally, been very clear that it's target audience is males not females.

Come on then Quaagars - why do you think they chose a transwoman not a transman to be their first 'trans affairs editor', given its a magazine for gay men? What would a transwoman bring to a magazine about being a gay man?

The gay men's press has, traditionally, been very clear that it's target audience is males not females

Yes - the audience is males not female - as in the audience of the magazine - I was just saying, does it matter who is on the editorial team though?
If who they have appointed to the role of trans affairs is trans themselves, does it matter whether they're a trans man or a trans woman?
Surely just being trans would be OK

@Quaagars

The gay men's press has, traditionally, been very clear that it's target audience is males not females

Yes - the audience is males not female - as in the audience of the magazine - I was just saying, does it matter who is on the editorial team though?
If who they have appointed to the role of trans affairs is trans themselves, does it matter whether they're a trans man or a trans woman?
Surely just being trans would be OK

But it's a magazine for gay men - what has being a transwoman got to do with being a gay man?

Maybe why do they need a trans affairs role should be the main question then?
If all the content is about gay issues only?

Quaagars don't you think there are any gay ttransmen?

If the content is about gay ie same sex-attracted men, the question still remains as to why appoint a trans woman?

It's almost like they believe that this person is the same biological sex as their readership.

At risk of interrupting the hilarity it could just be that both men and women work at the magazine, in the same way that not everyone who works at farmers weekly is a farmer.

But they were criticised by a trans man in the replies to the tweet. Who then got cross because terfs were liking his tweet.

Quaagars don't you think there are any gay ttransmen?

Yes, there could quite possibly be some gay trans men.
Now fully ready for some kind of gotcha don't be silly trans men can't be gay, whatever

it could just be that both men and women work at the magazine, in the same way that not everyone who works at farmers weekly is a farmer

Which is exactly the same point I was making!
Without any "interrupting the hilarity" snipe

On reflection, it can actually be read as kind of an excellent power move by Boyz. They started this thing off by supporting LGB alliance- have they come back round full circle to making the case for same sex attraction regardless of gender identity, and at the same time, muzzling their opponents by having a trans editor?

It’s kind of t*rfy right enough

(Not sure I really believe this, but it’s kind of fun to imagine)