Gay men's magazine bullied into grovelling

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twitter.com/BoyzMagazine/status/1332052779871965186

Looks like they're gunning for gay men now. Anything other than complete agreement is no good.

Readers here will be used to this sort of insanity:
twitter.com/robholley/status/1332054419337334789
I wonder if it will wake up those who have not seen it before?

Maybe all the male lesbians can have RSE in one class and talk about anal and strap obs, and all the female lesbians can have RSE in a different class and talk about female pleasure. I’m sure posters will respect the boundaries of the female lesbians to have their own space to talk about their own needs.

JJ said LGBT. So not just gay sex. Even by JJs mangled definitions.

In fact, the L, the G, the B and the T could easily all be about piv sex according to jj.

Maybe all the male lesbians can have RSE in one class and talk about anal and strap obs, and all the female lesbians can have RSE in a different class and talk about female pleasure. I’m sure posters will respect the boundaries of the female lesbians to have their own space to talk about their own needs

See, that's presumably where we're all talking at cross purposes - who's talking about male lesbians?
I'm certainly not
Just from a point of view I took up earlier in the thread whereas hetero women don't want any of that,
Presumably jj wasn't talking about male lesbians either but stand to be corrected
I'm just interested in all views even though being only interested in straight sex myself

Are we talking at cross purposes? Some people, like me, want to protect their daughters from having to deal with toxic male bullshit even in classrooms at school and want them to be able to put boundaries in place around males - in all lifelong scenarios - without being called phobic for doing so. Others are a bit “meh” about all that.

Are we talking at cross purposes?
Same, what I said, and what people seem to be doing on here

Some people, like me, want to protect their daughters from having to deal with toxic male bullshit even in classrooms at school and want them to be able to put boundaries in place around males - in all lifelong scenarios
Same. want to protect having to deal with toxic male bullshit.
Why can we not look at it from other perspectives though?

I learned fuck all about pleasure. I learned how to be safe, what contraception is and how pregnancy happens. Anything beyond that? You do your checking out and make sure you're safe. That's it. That was all I needed. It made sense when I was young and now that I'm a parent it still makes sense to me.

Why can we not look at it from other perspectives though?

Because the main “other perspective” is that of the adult male misogynist. Any time women or girls or an organisation like the LGB Alliance says “no thanks, we will keep our boundaries and definitions of women, girls, and lesbians just as they are” they come under attack. Maybe spend some time telling those doing this to ease off Quaagars if you want to make headway.

My sex ed lessons, not too long ago, were done in both biology and PSHE. The biology lessons were obviously heterosexually focussed, because they were about reproduction.
Our (fairly infrequent) PSHE lessons had bits about consent and contraception and sexual health. It was intertwined with a topic about relationships and there were mentions of homosexual relationships alongside. They were clear that there would still be dangers of STIs and so not to be complacent about contraception.
At no point did they demonstrate how to use a strap on, a fact which- though I'd never given too much thought to it before- I now find myself being incredibly grateful for.
As a lesbian, as a then teenager, that would have been mortifying. There is nothing which could have been gained from having our teacher talk to us about anal sex or strap ons in terms of pleasure, much in the same way as we'd have hated for them to talk to us about PIV sex in terms of pleasure gained from it. Sexual health, consent and respect? Very important. Technique? Not so much.

I learned fuck all about pleasure. I learned how to be safe, what contraception is and how pregnancy happens

Same but don't think that's always what's been talked about here
As in yes, be safe, yes to what contraception is and how to prevent babies, but if it's coming from a non heterosexual view and that doesn't apply should we just ignore it?

Why do you keep asking the same - answered -question, Quaagers?

@Quaagars

You don’t have to be told absolutely everything in school. You can still figure out that you really enjoy using strap-ons as an adult even if your teacher didn’t give you a detailed explanation in year 10. Honestly

True, but why can we not teach that in a non heterosexual way? Like PIV is?
I think that's what is being argued against?
So, if you are homosexual, (whether it be gay or lesbian) you know that you are not abnormal?

Oh my god, this is getting irritating now. You CAN learn about non-heterosexual sex and this is what I have been arguing if you read my fucking posts. I don’t know what this pretence of not understanding what is clearly being said but it’s really annoying. Not ONCE have I said that only heterosexual sex should be learned about.

As I have said and will say for the last time - learn about same sex relationships and sex. Do NOT learn about a load of sexual behaviour that is not appropriate for young people and was contained in the guide that LGBA objected to.

I’m not going to say it again.

TeenyTinyDustinHoffman

Good to know. I believe much of the material that LGB Alliance objected to is quite recent. Certainly in past couple of years.

Do NOT learn about a load of sexual behaviour that is not appropriate for young people and was contained in the guide that LGBA objected to.

And it cannot be said enough times, the objections were in relation to material being sold into schools that did not pass safeguarding standards, were not age appropriate, were using terms such as ‘born in the wrong body’ and were not fit for education purposes. It was not just about sex ed.

This whole discussion started about what resources were being used.

It really was material that was more directed at lowering children’s and teen’s boundaries. But look where the discussion led, and is still being led.

Who benefits from lowering children’s and teen’s boundaries? Who?

It really seems that some people struggle to understand that the primary aim of sex education is to keep children safe. ensuring everyone has a varied and adventurous sex life is not the business of the state and should it bloody well be

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

It really seems that some people struggle to understand that the primary aim of sex education is to keep children safe. ensuring everyone has a varied and adventurous sex life is not the business of the state and should it bloody well be

Absolutely.

Another very educational thread, in so many ways.

we were in the grip of AIDS when I had my sex ed, so there was much focus on barrier contraception for any penetrative sex, particularly anal sex between men as that was a key risk area

educating children to have the knowledge to keep themselves safe, see?

I’m not going to say it again.

This is quite an interesting point. Children will only remember a small part of what they are taught in school, so really getting key points across like physical safety, consent, how to use contraception and where to find information/health care when things go wrong is really important. As is pointing out that porn is not how people act in real life.

School should be about making children confident that their boundaries should be respected not making children feel awkward in lessons.

The CPS guidance for schools included some nonsense about lesbians enjoying giving / receiving fellatio.

@EmpressWitchDoesntBurn

The CPS guidance for schools included some nonsense about lesbians enjoying giving / receiving fellatio.

No! Seriously?

This thread took an interesting turn! I'm with all the PPs about safeguarding and educating children to be safe and have their own boundaries. Also the importance of respectful, consenting relationships.

I have a memory from somewhere of a woman, not a teacher, perhaps a nurse? coming from a session with secondary age girls - KS4 - completely rattled because she had told the girls sex was supposed to be pleasurable for them too, not just for males, and it was complete news to them. Some of them had wept.

The pornsickness has invaded and soured everything and effectively overridden PSHE/RSE in schools by getting in first.

Am I the only one thinking that the massive 5000% increase in teen girls seeking to transition may not be unconnected with a sense of revulsion and fear at what they see ahead of them?

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

It really seems that some people struggle to understand that the primary aim of sex education is to keep children safe. ensuring everyone has a varied and adventurous sex life is not the business of the state and should it bloody well be

This.

So many seem to view it as an opportunity to give sex instructions to impressionable kids. It's creepy.

@EmpressWitchDoesntBurn

The CPS guidance for schools included some nonsense about lesbians enjoying giving / receiving fellatio.

Calling it blow jobs too iirc. As in even lesbians enjoy getting blow jobs.

The bloody cps.

I have a memory from somewhere of a woman, not a teacher, perhaps a nurse? coming from a session with secondary age girls - KS4 - completely rattled because she had told the girls sex was supposed to be pleasurable for them too, not just for males, and it was complete news to them. Some of them had wept.

Along with a boy being asked why he didn't stop trying to have sex with a girl even when she began crying. And him being bewildered because he thought girls were supposed to cry during sex.

And the secondary aim - the clue being in the title of Relationships and Sex Education - is to help children develop the confidence and self-esteem to explore their own sexuality in their own time with their similarly aged peers, turning to trusted adults if they're worried, confused or upset about something.

Not to encourage them to over-ride every intuitive personal boundary in the name of being open-minded and not a bigot.

Am I the only one thinking that the massive 5000% increase in teen girls seeking to transition may not be unconnected with a sense of revulsion and fear at what they see ahead of them?

You are not the only one.

I have been horrified to come across messages on a group chat where a 14 yr old lesbian NB with significant MH issues was bragging about sucking off ‘girl dick’ while she was drunk.

There are many disturbing things about the message. But the one most relevant here is how there was NO comment about her own pleasure. It was all about being a sex vessel for a male. And this is progress?

Being able to call it a ‘girl dick’ has not helped this young lesbian at all, has it?