Gay men's magazine bullied into grovelling

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twitter.com/BoyzMagazine/status/1332052779871965186

Looks like they're gunning for gay men now. Anything other than complete agreement is no good.

Readers here will be used to this sort of insanity:
twitter.com/robholley/status/1332054419337334789
I wonder if it will wake up those who have not seen it before?

Quasars. Jumping to conclusions that I think gay sex is a fetish.
How you can extrapolate that from my post is a mystery to me. Nice job trying to twist what I wrote. Read it again please.

Who are you talking about grooming though?
Who's grooming?
You seem to think that talking about gay sex is grooming, which does come across as homophobia

Don’t turn it around on me

I said earlier that I would call the police if someone taught my child about using a strap on hygennically at school

Supporting children being taught about how LGB people have sex is grooming now it it? Okay, I think society has been here once before.

No. Indoctrinating children that they should be prepared to participate in all kinks is grooming.

The idea that all LGB sex involves kink (Eg hygienic strap ons) is, I would imagine, pretty homophobic.

Sorry that was to littledog, cross post

@Quaagars

It is not the place of teachers to go into sexual techniques and fetishes to children Teachers teach about loving relationships and that includes same sex relationships and boundaries for both partners.

OK, but at high school you do get taught about how to do sex as well as loving relationships and boundaries.
I think the opposite view is just saying if you were taught gay sex safely in high school too, why is that seen as a fetish and to be kept away and not spoken about?

Sorry but how precisely did you get taught ‘how to do sex’? I think there were diagrams in our books and stuff but I cannot ever recall instructions of how to ‘do’ sex. It’s not like our teachers sat us down and gave tips for giving oral sex or recommended to to the boys how they should ensure their partner had a good time. Nor did we watch a video of a couple having sex (as that would presumably be classed as a porno).

So I absolutely think that when sex is talked about that it should include anal or lesbian sex too but beyond that I don’t think it’s for schools to instruct pupils on how to have sex (positions, sex toys etc).

safe sex and the consequences of sex are discussed in RSE and that's about condoms and the pill and the right to say no and how it's OK to be same sex attracted - not much in the way of 'mechanics' there.

Of course you need to understand the mechanics of sex to understand how to use condoms. Do you want young people coming out of RSE lessons thinking it's okay not to use a condom if they have anal sex (which they will have heard about and likely seen in porn) because there's no pregnancy risk?

I'd be interested to hear what any gay people on the thread think about the apparent drive to brand all gay sex as some kind of kink, which requires the addition of hygienic implements of some description.

As I said seems pretty clear many people object to LGB inclusive edcuation, so to go back to the subject of this thread, it is unsurprising many LGB people have raised cocerns about the gender critical movement.

What on earth are you talking about?

What do you mean by L, for instance? Do you mean two males fellating each other? Or a male and a female trying to get pregnant?

@Datun

There is a difference between more inclusive education and advocating kids watching porn in school, as Dr Christian Jessen has done.

Dear God. Showing a lot of teenage boys, and girls, pornography in school.

Ugh.

That’s genuinely what he’s argued for. He also thinks it’s okay for an adult man to marry a 12 year old girl, as long as he’s part of a culture where it’s permitted. Dr Adrian Harrop obviously agrees.

Some posters here have to write an awful lot of words trying to disguise that what they’re actually saying is: “women, shut the fuck up and bend over”.

By calling what most of us can see is grooming lgb sex education you are muddying the waters and doing a massive disservice to lgb people.
The pushback is against age inappropriate materials, nothing to do with lgb.
Shame on you

Sorry but how precisely did you get taught ‘how to do sex’? I think there were diagrams in our books and stuff but I cannot ever recall instructions of how to ‘do’ sex.

As in, PIV. You get told what goes where and what happens.
You don't get told any gay equivalent (for want of a better phrase!) eg anal and on this thread it's a fetish or something not to be spoken about.

Another useful, if depressing, thread. Hopefully viewed by some of the 14 million unique users.

@Quaagars

Sorry but how precisely did you get taught ‘how to do sex’? I think there were diagrams in our books and stuff but I cannot ever recall instructions of how to ‘do’ sex.

As in, PIV. You get told what goes where and what happens.
You don't get told any gay equivalent (for want of a better phrase!) eg anal and on this thread it's a fetish or something not to be spoken about.

I think most on here are absolutely fine with kids being taught how gay people have sex too. What’s not fine is the tone taken by those who want to push various fetishes on kids or potentially dangerous practices (eg fisting) and trying to dress it up as being progressive and that any dissent is due to homophobia.

Of course you need to understand the mechanics of sex to understand how to use condoms. Do you want young people coming out of RSE lessons thinking it's okay not to use a condom if they have anal sex (which they will have heard about and likely seen in porn) because there's no pregnancy risk?

How to have sex safely covers diseases as well as pregnancy though doesn't it? It clearly covers when a condom is necessary. As the condom class will include the information that it is there to prevent disease as well, it will come with the information that they are necessary for anal and oral as well.

That doesn't require a graphic 'how to' on anal and oral. It requires a simple 'anal is when the penis is inserted in someone's anus' and 'oral is when the penis is inserted in someone's mouth' if anyone in the lesson is unsure - and then onto the diseases.

Teaching safe sex is really not that complicated, stop pretending it is.

That doesn't require a graphic 'how to' on anal and oral. It requires a simple 'anal is when the penis is inserted in someone's anus' and 'oral is when the penis is inserted in someone's mouth' if anyone in the lesson is unsure - and then onto the diseases.

So that's it? Sex is when a penis is inserted in a vagina, this must be consensual and can cause pregnancy and disease. Here ends your sex education syllabus.

I think most on here are absolutely fine with kids being taught how gay people have sex too. What’s not fine is the tone taken by those who want to push various fetishes on kids or potentially dangerous practices (eg fisting) and trying to dress it up as being progressive and that any dissent is due to homophobia.

You're the one who keeps talking about fisting. I was talking about very common ways LGB people have sex, anal sex being one, and use of toys being another. These are not fetishes.

As a lesbian who is a parent and teaches SRE I can assure people that children are not taught about sex positions / strap ons or any other boundary breaching behaviours other than mentioning something as part of age appropriate discussions about consent and how to ensure children aren't groomed into participating in harmful behaviours.

Unless of course the school has handed over responsibility to the Proud Trust or any other organisations who appear to be under the misapprehension that LGBT inclusive SRE is about teaching sexual positions, fetishes and all manner of adult sexual interests to non consenting children.

I hope this thread is widely seen. I also hope that readers pick up on both the push for hygienic sex toys as a part of inclusiveness for young children (I mean wtf) and the back tracking.

I think the children of the women on this board are safe in that they have parents who will enforce both a) the aspect of safety, tolerance and love and b) the aspect of boundaries, the right to say no and the dangers of pornography.

What worries me is the children of the “kind” people who haven’t thought this through and believe that porn, anal sex without explaining the risks and sex toys are a part of inclusivity.

@jj1968

That doesn't require a graphic 'how to' on anal and oral. It requires a simple 'anal is when the penis is inserted in someone's anus' and 'oral is when the penis is inserted in someone's mouth' if anyone in the lesson is unsure - and then onto the diseases.

So that's it? Sex is when a penis is inserted in a vagina, this must be consensual and can cause pregnancy and disease. Here ends your sex education syllabus.

However you dress it up, schools don’t need to teach about strap-ons, butt-plugs, sex-toys, whips, sexual subcultures, threesomes, polyamory or anything like that. It’s totally fine that people are into this stuff as consensual adults but we are talking about kids who are under the age of consent here.

Also, given the prevalence of watching porn among children as young as 10 because it’s available on your phone (and by the age of 14, nearly all kids will have viewed porn, often violent stuff), the school needs to focus on the mutual respect stuff and dispel the myth that all girls love choking and anal and being passed around 4 guys that’s spread via porn.

So that's it? Sex is when a penis is inserted in a vagina, this must be consensual and can cause pregnancy and disease. Here ends your sex education syllabus.

Jesus fucking Christ. You know RSE isn't one lesson right? It is a syllabus that lasts a year. Every year of school. That's hours and hours of teaching. The love and respect stuff, the boundaries that is all taught in different lessons across the year. The safe sex stuff sticks with safe sex - that's how you get clear messaging, not muddying the water with what ifs, whatabouterys and how fetishes are perfectly normal.

The love and respect stuff focuses on wider aspects of the relationship - which will include sex. But it still does not require a graphic how to because that is grooming.

For time immemorial people have managed to work out what sex they like by themselves via experimentation without the aid of supposed trusted adult explaining anal to them in a completely inappropriate setting.

The point of RSE is to get them to the point where they are safe and comfortable with that experimentation and understand that they can say no at any point. But they are still meant to do the experimentation the way people have always done.

How on earth do people pushing this shit think the human race have managed for millennia, prior to the introduction of the RSE syllabus? or do they think they are the only people in all of history to have had enjoyable sex?

RSE is there to teach you how to be safe when having sex and exploring that side of your nature. It's not there to teach you how to do backwards cowgirl with a twist.

As in, PIV. You get told what goes where and what happens.
You don't get told any gay equivalent (for want of a better phrase!) eg anal and on this thread it's a fetish or something not to be spoken about.

Because PIV relates to pregnancy and trying to reduce unwanted pregnancies, as well as the biology of conception.

For those advocating class discussions of anal sex, strap ons etc remember an average class of 14 year olds will have a number of sexually active children, some who have been sexually abused, some exploring their sexuality, some with different levels of comprehension, some from religious families where discussion of sex may be taboo, some with regressive views about women and some who are not yet aware / interested in sex, (not to mention all the other individual needs).
By definition SRE has to encompass the needs of all these children in an age appropriate way. And that's by exploring the nature of healthy respectful intimate relationships, not a list of sexual techniques.

Right so now we all have had so much more discussion, maybe MBD can finally answer my pertinent questions:

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‘They support balanced, vetted and approved LGBT education in schools. Please show us the education they don’t support. I think you will find the materials they don’t support are those that have been created by organisations that do not have experience in creating children’s educational tools that are sensitive to children’s needs, are following safeguarding protocols and are presenting complete facts. In particular the proud trust dice game, or children being told they might be ‘in the wrong body’, or some of the material discussing anal sex that completely misses the fact that many many females don’t find it actually is pleasurable (but don’t let that material fact stop you girls from doing this cool sex act even though it might cause you immeasurable pain and internal damage!)’.

‘You mean those resources MBD? These seem to be the resources I have seen them highlight should not in schools. I take it you are ok with them, then?’

And ‘ And also do you then support the use of the resources that LGB Alliance objected to being taught to children and teens?’

Please note that I am asking about the specific resources that LGB Alliance have objected to. Neither they or I object to age appropriate LGBT education.

Although, I DO object to peter Tatchell being involved in sex education in any way considering his past writings that he declares have been misrepresented.... hmmm. And any person who is not a qualified teacher for that age group regardless of their intentions.

And to further clarify, I am talking about seeing anal sex resources that do not adequately explain the potential damage, or that, and I acknowledge that some females derive pleasure from anal sex (I would expect it is not from fumbling teenaged boys though, but crack on), many many females DO not. In fact, it is being presented as being normal yet the stats are showing females are being pressured by males and society to accept it. So, have you seen the resources?