Gay men's magazine bullied into grovelling

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twitter.com/BoyzMagazine/status/1332052779871965186

Looks like they're gunning for gay men now. Anything other than complete agreement is no good.

Readers here will be used to this sort of insanity:
twitter.com/robholley/status/1332054419337334789
I wonder if it will wake up those who have not seen it before?

I must be old fashioned because I think sex education in schools should mainly focus on how one sex can get pregnant and how both sexes can avoid that.

If anybody wants to learn about strap ons, like many things, I don't think they need to be taught it at school.

"The fact that there are so many people wanting sexual acts discussed with children in schools is very worrying. It's safeguarding red flags all the way"
Its also nothing to do with what this thread is about.
Weird.
And creepy.

Jj1968

If my child was to come home from school and said they had been taught at school how to use a strap on hygeniically by whoever I would call the police

@Quaagars

The fact that there are so many people wanting sexual acts discussed with children in schools is very worrying.

My point was just that I can see you DO get taught about how to "do heterosexual sex" at high school.
So I can see the "argument" (for want of a better word) should high schools be teaching that gay sex is OK and how to do it too

Well maybe you get taught how to do it in the very basic sense, in that you are taught about penetration, but it’s not like you’re given detailed sex tips or anything. I have no issue with diagrams etc of gay or lesbian sex in textbooks to normalise all forms of it.

When it comes to fisting, rimming, strap-ons etc, I really think that’s something people have to figure out for themselves if they want to do it. I don’t think it should be taught in schools as part of PHSE. People have different tastes and turn-ons and it’s not really for the school to teach what those might be. I mean, some are turned on by threesomes. Should we cover that too? What about BDSM?

There is a difference between more inclusive education and advocating kids watching porn in school, as Dr Christian Jessen has done.

If you have a child of senior school age, then you would understand why - for both boys and girls that teaching the detailed mechanics of sex, would be mostly inappropriate. I think you can and should teach about consent, boundaries, that whilst reproduction requires sex, sex is much more than reproduction.
Most of the teen girls I know would be utterly mortified to have a lesson about oral sex.
Not being taught the details of sexual possibilities at school has not stopped many generations of people finding out what makes them tick.

It is not the place of teachers to go into sexual techniques and fetishes to children
Teachers teach about loving relationships and that includes same sex relationships and boundaries for both partners.

OK, but at high school you do get taught about how to do sex as well as loving relationships and boundaries.
I think the opposite view is just saying if you were taught gay sex safely in high school too, why is that seen as a fetish and to be kept away and not spoken about?

@TinselAngel

I must be old fashioned because I think sex education in schools should mainly focus on how one sex can get pregnant and how both sexes can avoid that.

If anybody wants to learn about strap ons, like many things, I don't think they need to be taught it at school.

Same here.

One of the first lessons should be about the prevalence of degrading and demeaning pornography. How to avoid it, why it's misogynistic, how it damages sex lives. And the next lesson should be how to say no when under intolerable pressure to say yes and how to respect boundaries.

To counteract the prevalence of pornography, the lessons should be weighted in favour of consent and boundaries.

You never know, a lesson like that might slow down the rate of one rape per school day in SCHOOL.

The normalisation of teaching 13-year-olds how to use a strap ons and how to 'hold their nerve' about anal sex should come to a shuddering and vehement stop.

I think the mechanics of sex are pretty important when discussing pregnancy

Sex ed first starts in primary - where it is basically an intro to puberty and then 'where babies come from' (though by y6 most children will have had parents explain that to them).

in high school the 'mechanics' of reproduction are taught in biology - and there's no pleasure or sex toys included. There is also little need to discuss gay sex when focusing on reproduction.

safe sex and the consequences of sex are discussed in RSE and that's about condoms and the pill and the right to say no and how it's OK to be same sex attracted - not much in the way of 'mechanics' there.

What sex is and how to do it safely are actually different lessons, taught in different subjects for different reasons. The push to combine them and bring how to have pleasure into the mix is just ... grooming.

Teaching SRE is challenging with children all being at different stages of development, understanding and from different family backgrounds. It's not an opportunity for adults to parade their own knowledge / experience of sexual acts etc. It's boundaried and focuses on young people gaining the information they need to develop healthy, nurturing relationships of every kind, not just sexual relationships. Effective RSE doesn't encourage sexual experimentation but teaches young people to understand human sexuality and respect for themselves and others

It's all about the erosion of boundaries isn't it?

There is plenty of reasoned debate, and it is intolerant bigots who are "torn apart", using well-worn arguments. Transphobia, homophobia, misogyny, racism, etc all fall apart when their underlying intolerance and disgust is exposed. Transphobia is only unique amongst these examples because of the extreme asymmetry of numbers. "trans activists" or "TRA" are bullshit terms for any transgender person whose opinion you wish to invalidate, by framing us as 'an ideology' as opposed to 'people'

But that definition defines transphobia so widely that even asking questions about possibly conflicting rights has already been defined as transphobic. My comment was about the definition, its extreme scope, and the fact that it explicitly states that debate is unacceptable because it means questioning the transgender people's rights to exist.

It also suggests that defending women's sex-based rights (against sex-based oppression) is in itself transphobic, because any conflict of rights has been ruled out apriori.

I must be old fashioned because I think sex education in schools should mainly focus on how one sex can get pregnant and how both sexes can avoid that.

What about HIV?

As I said seems pretty clear many people object to LGB inclusive edcuation, so to go back to the subject of this thread, it is unsurprising many LGB people have raised cocerns about the gender critical movement.

Yes persistent woman

All of that

Fair point @RealityNotEssentialism

hmm, jj seems to have left....?

games up?

Pressed too soon
As in fair point about the porn

@jj1968

I must be old fashioned because I think sex education in schools should mainly focus on how one sex can get pregnant and how both sexes can avoid that.

What about HIV?

As I said seems pretty clear many people object to LGB inclusive edcuation, so to go back to the subject of this thread, it is unsurprising many LGB people have raised cocerns about the gender critical movement.

Yes I should have said how to avoid STIs too, but don't see that concession as a gateway to hygienic strap on use lessons.

There is a difference between more inclusive education and advocating kids watching porn in school, as Dr Christian Jessen has done.

Dear God. Showing a lot of teenage boys, and girls, pornography in school.

Ugh.