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Kier shows his colours
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averylongtimeago · 21/11/2020 09:50

From Facebook, I guess he has picked a side.
51% of the population just don't count.

Kier shows his colours
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EnjoyingTheSilence · 21/11/2020 09:53

Probably going to regret this but surely you can support the trans community and women.

I believe that it is a small minority of people that are trying cause trouble not all trans people

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nauticant · 21/11/2020 09:55

It's from yesterday, the Trans Day of Remembrance. Parroting pre-scripted phrases in that context doesn't tell us much.

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StillAFeminist · 21/11/2020 10:02

Disappointing but not surprising

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testing987654321 · 21/11/2020 10:02

Trans rights are human rights.

I don't believe that should give anyone the right to override sex-based rights such as single-sex spaces where appropriate.

But the right to live free from abuse, have safe housing, a job, an education, healthcare, fair trials etc etc. All human rights that are also trans rights.

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testing987654321 · 21/11/2020 10:03

It also doesn't override my right to speak the truth.

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persistentwoman · 21/11/2020 10:06

It's a meaningless phrase parroted to support tdr yesterday. Of course he supports trans rights - he'll also state that he supports women's rights until the inevitable collision happens.

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ErrolTheDragon · 21/11/2020 10:08

It's just a thoughtless parrot-phrase, hopefully.
I'm not sure if he's considered that word 'fight'.
He may just be thinking 'fight for rights' (not sure what rights trans people lack at this point but leave that aside).
And have somehow missed that some of the activists are very much fighting against women and women's rights.

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ShalomToYouJackie · 21/11/2020 10:08

Ffs. Has anyone said that trans rights aren't human rights? What rights do trans people not have?

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Floisme · 21/11/2020 10:13

He's still keeping his cards close to his chest, as he always does. It was Trans Day of Remembrance and I can see nothing there to disagree with.

What I think is more interesting is that he could easily have gone further and added, 'TWAW / TMAM' but he chose not to.

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BraveBananaBadge · 21/11/2020 10:13

I’m guessing it’s a token to mark Trans Day of Remembrance. It says ‘trans rights are human rights’ which you can’t argue with. It’s a nice reassuring message, actually. Wonder if women had the courtesy of the same on IWD, or if everyone had to be included? 🤔

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AnyFucker · 21/11/2020 10:17

Lazy parroting of sound bites. Very disappointing.

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Whatwouldscullydo · 21/11/2020 10:18

Good luck with that one shalom

Healthcare is often cited as one. However im not sure how false sex markers on drs notes and shutting down/transphobia accusations towards anyone asking about risks/records etc are compatible with getting good health care.

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TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair · 21/11/2020 10:23

'Your fight is our fight too' is very inflammatory given that in reality much of that 'fight' involves a group of people threatening women and trying to block us from having single sex spaces. It's very poorly worded by someone who should be skilled at rhetoric. 'Trans rights are human rights,' while utterly meaningless, would have been a gesture of support without making anyone feel threatened.

I'm so disappointed. I like Starmer in many ways. I think he's fundamentally a decent human but I won't vote Labour now.

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endofthelinefinally · 21/11/2020 10:25

@TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair

'Your fight is our fight too' is very inflammatory given that in reality much of that 'fight' involves a group of people threatening women and trying to block us from having single sex spaces. It's very poorly worded by someone who should be skilled at rhetoric. 'Trans rights are human rights,' while utterly meaningless, would have been a gesture of support without making anyone feel threatened.

I'm so disappointed. I like Starmer in many ways. I think he's fundamentally a decent human but I won't vote Labour now.

I am coming round to the view that he is a wet blanket.
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gardenbird48 · 21/11/2020 10:28

Did he manage to name any of the trans people being remembered on trans day of remembrance?

Seeing as 0 transgender people were murdered in the U.K. in 2020 and 0 transgender people in 2019 it might be tricky.
Or do they include the poor teenagers who may have died because they were taking unlicensed, unregulated drugs prescribed by certain suspended doctors in Spain?

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Mummyoflittledragon · 21/11/2020 10:28

Who the hell to vote for? Monster raving loony party perhaps?

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Tanith · 21/11/2020 10:30

It's word for word identical to all the other statements they put out yesterday: Angela Rayner's is even included in the screenshot.
I doubt either of them wrote that statement themselves.

Just a typical support parrot squawking on SM to keep the children amused.

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DickKerrLadies · 21/11/2020 10:39

Not just a sound bite, but a C&P sound bite.

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endofthelinefinally · 21/11/2020 10:40

Have any of them said anything about the 3 women a week murdered by men during lockdown?

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tilder · 21/11/2020 10:44

I have no problem with him saying that. As a statement, I would absolutely support it.

It would however be slightly naive of him not to be aware of the context in which the statement is often used.

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tilder · 21/11/2020 10:45

@endofthelinefinally

Have any of them said anything about the 3 women a week murdered by men during lockdown?

Probably not. That's just background noise.
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endofthelinefinally · 21/11/2020 10:49

@tilder

I have no problem with him saying that. As a statement, I would absolutely support it.

It would however be slightly naive of him not to be aware of the context in which the statement is often used.

Yes. It is the fact that it is easy, and a cop out, to parrot this sort of thing without giving it a moment's thought, or doing any kind of research or listening to any of the women who are experiencing the removal of their human rights.
It is just lazy and ignorant.
Politicians really ought to make more effort IMO.
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BrassicaRabbit · 21/11/2020 10:50

I agree with his statement.

However until he shows leadership and finds a way forward supporting trans rights and women's rights I will continue to spoil my ballot.

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Floisme · 21/11/2020 10:56

Lord knows I have my issues with the Labour Party but this anodyne non-statement, made on a day of remembrance, barely registers. I think what it doesn't say speaks volumes and I imagine it's mightily pissed off the Twittersphere.

In fact it says so little it actually makes me feel slightly hopeful - although that's probably only because I'm in a good mood today.

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MsMarvellous · 21/11/2020 10:57

It's been pointed out on that thread repeatedly that 0 trans people were murdered on the Uk last year. The number of women was 241. Yet we have trans remembrance.

Look, no one should be murdered, abused, raped or assaulted. But it's hugely disingenuous to parrot the notion (by implication) that it happens to trans people in huge numbers.

Men are still the most regularly killed, in the majority by other men. Then women, again predominately by men. We should be focussing on male violence instead of being all virtuous. I'd have respect for them then.

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