Women win guarantee over female only public lavatories - the Times

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once they were told I was uncomfortable inviting them in, they seem to think they immediately had to persuade me otherwise / make out they're a victim of my meanness. I got the inevitable NAMALT/I AM NOT LIKE THAT lectures too.

Thus proving they were exactly like men who wouldn't respect a woman's boundaries.
Good for you for standing your ground!

Michelle most of your ‘evidence’ and ‘facts’ are just propaganda and not true.

Michelle - your use of the word c*s is nonsense. I don’t have a gender identity. I am a woman because I am female. Oppression of women and girls is based on biology - not feelings or ideology. There are no male women.

Tell the unborn girls aborted because they are girls, the girls genitally mutilated, raped, denied education, married to old men at aged 9, die in childbirth, denied contraception/abortion, consigned to menstrual huts. - all because of biology, that adult males struggle as much as they do.

If you think this - You are part of the patriarchy.

I believe the use of the c** word is banned on these boards and therefore think your post will be removed sharpish.

I believe the use of the c word is banned on these boards and therefore think your post will be removed sharpish.

Is this true? I do so hope it is.

Oh, Michelle. Bless your heart.
There’s nothing in your hot take that hasn’t been aired a million times before.
Men oppressed women, often brutally, for thousands of years. In recent history we’ve managed to snatch a few scraps from the table. That little we have has been long fought for and hard one.
Men owed us.
Yet TRAs want us to share the meagre scraps we scrabbled for, at best by giving us a sob story, at worst by demanding them with menaces.
That they seem happy to do this and consider it right and proper shows that no matter what they claim they have no empathy or fellow feeling toward the womanhood they desire to be a part of. We don’t owe them anything, we’re not under any obligation be ‘be nice’.

Is this true? I do so hope it is.

Only if it's reported. I rarely report personally because sometimes I think these type of posts are more revealing and useful left up, but others do.

All I've seen on this thread is 'what about me, what about MY rights'

Yes, I do think it's ok for women and girls to put ourselves first occasionally. Nice forced teaming attempt, btw.

How old does a thread need to be before we call Zombie?

Be kind is an imperative, a command, an order which essentially equates to obey, submit, know your place, have no boundaries. No.

if there is useful info on this thread I think we should consider its age and potential zombie status. :¬))

Trans people are an even more marginalised group than us, facing even more prejudice than we do. 50% of transgender people are sexually abused or assaulted at some point in their lives, 27% of trans young people have attempted to commit suicide

Emotional guff and lies.

I find those statistics really sad

What about males committing 98% of sex crimes with the majority of victims being female, yet you want us to let all males have free access to spaces females and children are most vulnerable? How fucking sad.

A trans woman is not a cis man. They do not have the power or the status of a cis man, they are struggling in this world as much as we are

No they aren't. At the moment they have ALL the power as the privileged males they are whilst inserting themselves into female oppression and then calling us the oppressors.

Michelle - As women, we know what it's like to be sidelined and to have to fight for our rights, and so we should have empathy towards people who are going through a similar battle

I do have empathy for people struggling. I don't have empathy for people who lie and bully to try to force Women to give way to their demands. It's not at all complicated.

Also Michelle, can you tell us exactly what rights trans people in the UK don't actually already have?
Adult males have zero need for female sex based rights so why are the trying to remove them?

Michelle

‘A trans woman is not a cis man. They do not have the power or the status of a cis man,’

Many TW lived as men for several decades, marrying and having children before suddenly announcing they were women. So what, exactly, makes a TW in this situation different from the man they spent 40 or 50 years being? Because you are assuming that TW are completely different from men. Yet apparently saying ‘I am a woman’ brings about a transformation into the opposite sex. How?

I think, Michelle, that you’ll soon find that ‘fighting for the access needs of cis women’ will have you labelled a bigot, no matter how supportive an ally you are.

I was happy sharing, as long as there was a social contract in place to protect and allow people to challenge if they felt threatened. It has worked well for years.

It is still a social contract as anyone can walk into any loo at any time and few people could physically stop that happening, but the law has to back up the principle. I will be fucked (metaphorically speaking) if I am giving in to bullys insisting they are literally female, particularly very aggressive, entitled, psychodynamically masculine ones.

I grieve for the many gentle trans women who would never be a threat and I rage at the awful awful ideological overreach that has brought us to this place. Maybe over time we can build back to that place of tolerance and trust.

Some very incongruent messages from other threads popping up in this thread. Some from the It never happens threads I think. V bizarre

Go easy on michelle, I read fresh innocence, never heard a dissenting voice, right at the beginning, not yet reasoned through, as yet unpeaked but I don't get ideologically captured. Lurker of dreams worthy of patience? (or a very talented sealion)

Michelle

I'm nicking this entirely brilliant question from Barracker on another thread. I'd be interested in your answer:

Part 1: Should 'transwomen' be allowed to distinguish themselves from members of the male sex, or should they be forced to share space unwillingly?

Part 2: Should women be allowed to?

OoooFh!

@edgeofacoin

I agree, that is an excellent question. And I like that you're asking that question for both trans women and women.

My answer is obviously just my own opinion.

Yes, a trans woman should be allowed to distinguish themselves from members of the male sex, and no, they shouldn't be forced to share space unwillingly.

Exactly the same answer for women.

With regard to the toilet situation, I'd just very much like to see a solution that works for everybody.

And whilst I'm here. Apologies for commenting on an old thread, I hadn't paid attention to the dates.