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Bunburying into Autumn (Bunbury 6)

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DianasLasso · 09/09/2020 13:08

Bit like blackberrying, with added derailment, sealioning and general JAQ-ing off. I'll copy and paste the opening post of the last thread.

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember there are people out there who would like to silence us by fair means or foul.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3944572-Bunburys-guide-to-community-disruptors-part-5?pg=40

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

Go well Witches gin

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ErrolTheDragon · 17/09/2020 10:36

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I think certain subjects, even without reference to individuals as very likely to be deleted for "generalisation".

Yes - I meant discussions about methodology and motivation of how people use MN. Not anything to do with anything else, and certainly not anything that can be represented by a collection of capital letters.
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Angryresister · 17/09/2020 12:38

Are radio programmes out of bounds too if we discuss real life interviews?

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ItsLateHumpty · 17/09/2020 16:29

And meanwhile this thread garners tumble weed. Actually, I’m not even sure the tumble weed are interested. It’s like the old proverbial dry and dusty spinsters shelf.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/4002092-FWR-clarification-deletion-and-strikes?

Mayhap we’re all just meant to pop off and do something useful. Like knit hair.

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Kit19 · 17/09/2020 18:33

Bunburys nose is twitching......

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DialSquare · 17/09/2020 18:40

Just came to say the same. Let's see if this goes the usual way.

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Kit19 · 17/09/2020 18:42

I think it very much will which screen shots ending up on twitter

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DialSquare · 17/09/2020 18:52

Definitely Kit19. Looking at the latest post in particular.

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Kit19 · 17/09/2020 18:53

Yes it’s deliberately goady

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ArabellaScott · 17/09/2020 18:58

Goady goady goady. Thanks for the tip. I'm off brambling.

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ArabellaScott · 17/09/2020 18:59

As Germaine said, beware the sugary syrup of the bramble for it hides the sharpest of thorns. I believe.

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Kit19 · 17/09/2020 19:02

It’s so obvious, surprised ppl are engaging

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ArabellaScott · 17/09/2020 19:07

Oh, I can't say I wasn't tempted. The title sounds so lovely and appealing. The trouble is that the terms ... who gets to write the terms?

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MichelleofzeResistance · 17/09/2020 19:10

Benefit of the doubt lasted about three posts. Confused

Going to find something more interesting to do, like watching paint dry.

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Kit19 · 17/09/2020 19:11

Oh I did respond at first but then the goadyness was so obvious & I’m not going to give them they attention they want

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bishopgiggles · 17/09/2020 19:15

If they wanted name-calling they've got it

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Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 17/09/2020 19:17

What tickles me is I know what’s going on because these ones & ones of the midnight misogynist ilk are the only ones on FWR that make me want to write TL:DR

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midgebabe · 17/09/2020 19:25

Can I open up a whisky bottle And share some around and join in here rather than get myself dragged into that?

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CaraDuneRedux · 17/09/2020 19:28
Brew
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CaraDuneRedux · 17/09/2020 19:31

Ah, hide thread... lovely.

What sort of whisky do you have, out of interest?

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Collidascope · 17/09/2020 19:37

I had a post deleted this morning for talking about older TW "advising" teenagers who want to transition and whose parents aren't in favour of it.
Interesting to see a thread now that mentions saving young trans sisters from the wrong puberty.

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midgebabe · 17/09/2020 19:38

I'd ideally have a simple all purpose highland park , or a nice Jura peaty one , but cash is tight so it's a sainsburies taste the difference ...

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Kit19 · 17/09/2020 19:39

I did report the thread but apparently it’s fine so hiding & enjoying the peace

No whiskey but I do have port & cheese 🍷🧀

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MichelleofzeResistance · 17/09/2020 19:57

Yup, hurrah for the hide button.

I'm jealous of the cheese. My aubergine vegan cheese substitute recipe today did not work out.

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FloralBunting · 17/09/2020 20:01

Tell you what, I never tire of males regaling me with their tedious life stories and opinions. It feels like the perfect way for a feminist to while away the hours.

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ChattyLion · 17/09/2020 20:03

So, to recap:

One cannot generalise or be specific.

Got that.

Exactly.

So we can’t post about our own RL experiences if they happen to involve the three-letter acronym. An issue exclusively (and often negatively) affecting women.

So much for the MN support for parents and spaces to allow women to speak etc etc Sad

The acronym is part of speaking about our issues

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