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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bunburying into Autumn (Bunbury 6)

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DianasLasso · 09/09/2020 13:08

Bit like blackberrying, with added derailment, sealioning and general JAQ-ing off. I'll copy and paste the opening post of the last thread.

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember there are people out there who would like to silence us by fair means or foul.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3944572-Bunburys-guide-to-community-disruptors-part-5?pg=40

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

Go well Witches gin

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littlbrowndog · 25/11/2020 19:06

Well yes exactly

Kit19 · 25/11/2020 19:20

I’m genuinely 😱 that that thread was pulled.

CaraDuneRedux · 25/11/2020 19:22

I'm now even more shocked and angry to discover the For Women Scotland judicial review thread has been pulled.

Kit19 · 25/11/2020 19:28

Ffs!! The monitors must be rattled!

HecatesCats · 25/11/2020 19:32

What?!

terryleather · 25/11/2020 19:45

@CaraDuneRedux

I'm now even more shocked and angry to discover the For Women Scotland judicial review thread has been pulled.
To be fair I think that may be because it contained a link to the crowdfunder - that's an MN no-no?

Anyway it prompted me to chuck in another spadeful before it went poooft....I urge others to do likewise if they're able.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 25/11/2020 20:06

To be fair I think that may be because it contained a link to the crowdfunder - that's an MN no-no?

Thats too fair

They could have just deleted the link

midgebabe · 25/11/2020 20:07

I'm going to suggest that I could see the pull coming.

It started poorly in that it simply seemed to be criticising specific people for signing what on the face of it is perfectly justifiable. Violence against anyone for whatever reason is wrong after all.

Personal attacks on people are always going to be tricky. It leaves mumsnet open to potentially legal threats. If we value the space we need to be smart, not hand people rocks to throw at us.

If the focus of the original post had been " there's a letter going round that seems to be incorrect and spreading misinformation is a threat to women. I wonder if the signatories are aware"

You would be conveying similar information in a less inflammatory way? But the focus was on specific people.

Please take this a intended, I want us to have ways to discuss important things , not risk losing posters or the forum

fatblackcatspaw · 25/11/2020 20:07

It didn't have a link to the crowdfunder it had a link to FWS tweet about the TRA counter judicial review which was an article in the Herald Newspaper.

fatblackcatspaw · 25/11/2020 20:08

I'm footstampingly cross today.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 25/11/2020 20:22

I like midgebabes posts

I meant to say it the other day and I forgot

Like ive forgotten to tell ds1 partner whats left on his Christmas list ....which I’m gonna do right now

HecatesCats · 25/11/2020 21:11

Midge I was concerned that it was pulled because of pointing out connections amongst the signatories to a certain person who is very vocal about these issues atm. But maybe not.

midgebabe · 25/11/2020 21:16

Ok I'll stand rufus a drink

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 25/11/2020 21:18

I’ll hold off for a minute midge

I still haven’t done the sodding email 😀

Im doing it now!

MichelleofzeResistance · 25/11/2020 21:22

HQ do increasingly seem to be leaving themselves open to the view that they are suppressing people discussing news and public information that is of significant public interest and preventing women sharing information to a political end with what is being deleted. Why on earth did the FWScot go?

terryleather · 25/11/2020 21:37

@fatblackcatspaw

It didn't have a link to the crowdfunder it had a link to FWS tweet about the TRA counter judicial review which was an article in the Herald Newspaper.
Okay, then that is pretty fucking bad...
SophocIestheFox · 25/11/2020 21:55

I think I’ve failed my struggle session tonight. I’m so disappointing

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 25/11/2020 22:01

Tut tut sophocles

SophocIestheFox · 25/11/2020 22:04

Sorry, rufus Blush

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 25/11/2020 22:06

Youre forgiven soph you were representing...

Im proud cos I finally sent the sodding email

SophocIestheFox · 25/11/2020 22:09

Good skills. I’ve faffed so much today, my to-do list got longer not shorter.

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 26/11/2020 11:24

Another one bites the dust FFS.

PopperUppleton · 26/11/2020 23:27

I read stuff and am behind the times in a lot of thing bit I'm desperate to say foxtrot oscar juliet juliet

BlackWaveComing · 27/11/2020 03:36

Mad and bad man definitely not in the spirit today, as all days.

Kit19 · 27/11/2020 07:17

I will not engage because the attention is exactly what they want