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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bunburying into Autumn (Bunbury 6)

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DianasLasso · 09/09/2020 13:08

Bit like blackberrying, with added derailment, sealioning and general JAQ-ing off. I'll copy and paste the opening post of the last thread.

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember there are people out there who would like to silence us by fair means or foul.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3944572-Bunburys-guide-to-community-disruptors-part-5?pg=40

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

Go well Witches gin

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Mammatino · 20/10/2020 22:35

No electrodes (i wish), she shamed him. You know the only way a dirty little creature like that responds... she exposed him. Photographs of our darling cat, photographs of him (in shit on the bog walls, about Him fucking her), she invited him up on stage to try it, in front of hundreds of men. They didn’t like that. They bloody hounded him out. I remember my mum coming home and just kicking her shoes off and saying darling Can you get me a gin. I watched her do that. She also said “those cowards that kicked him out would have happily seen the back of me, in as many nasty ways. Don’t ever forget that”.

Mammatino · 20/10/2020 22:35

So we don’t forget. X

Singasonga · 21/10/2020 07:25

@FloralBunting

Uh-huh. Glad I had wee reread before it went, terry.

And yep, this thread is monitored carefully. Some of the more regular posters who routinely take the antagonist viewpoint sometimes drop in, presumably so we don't forget they can still see us or something.

Well, not everywhere, they can't 😘

I often think about what that says about someone, when they look at the plight of gender non-conformists in a patriarchy and who actually threatens them, and then spends all their time hate reading and policing women's speech.
NCone · 21/10/2020 16:44

Am I right in thinking there is some targeting going on?

HecatesCats · 21/10/2020 17:13

@NCone

Am I right in thinking there is some targeting going on?
Yes I think so
NeurotrashWarrior · 21/10/2020 18:54

There's some weird posts going up aren't there? "Feminist lite" and quite naive in ways that make me suspicious.

testing987654321 · 21/10/2020 18:59

Lots of new threads with a less serious tone than is standard. That revolting Facebook photo one is beyond grim.

HecatesCats · 21/10/2020 19:01

Plus resurrecting the condition that shall not be named

InflamatoryWrit · 21/10/2020 19:06

...yes. Malice aforethought springs to mind, but I am not a nice person.

InflamatoryWrit · 21/10/2020 19:17

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

HecatesCats · 21/10/2020 19:28

Incoming

WagnersFourthSymphony · 21/10/2020 23:51

As well as a plopper, we have a persistent baiter elsewhere. Possibly even a master baiter.

boatyardblues · 21/10/2020 23:52

I see what you did there Wagners. Wink

SophocIestheFox · 22/10/2020 15:17

Today’s helpful reminder to not engage! Particularly on Very Important Threads. I know it’s hard to sit on those hands, but...

WagnersFourthSymphony · 22/10/2020 15:28

It's hard, isn't it, when you're thinking of the lurkers. But we have too much to lose.

Thanks for the reminder, and to Vitriol for the elbow-jog last night.

Winesalot · 22/10/2020 15:43

As an alternative view, as it IS a vital educational thread, some live action examples are not uneducational. And if links to alternative viewpoints are posted, it is also educational.

HecatesCats · 22/10/2020 16:10

Apologies, having seen clearly what was going on I couldn't help myself last night. Some sterling work going on today. Thank you.

Angryresister · 23/10/2020 23:40

Interesting thread on AIBU in which things we are not allowed to discuss here are mentioned and not taken down, strange that . But we are getting a few new readers as a result!

Cocothefirst · 24/10/2020 14:32

I've just lost my rag at a visitor.

ChattyLion · 29/10/2020 08:21

This whole thread has been zapped basically because someone disrupted it. There were some excellent posts on it. It’s fine to delete a few silly disruptive posts but taking out the whole thread is way too much giving the disrupters what they want.

MNHQ saying in the deletion message that they zapped it because it had ‘descended into personal attacks’- that sounds as if the thread was a generalised slanging match. It really wasn’t. It was very clear what was happening on it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4063714-To-expect-women-to-be-able-to-use-women-only-spaces

MaudTheInvincible · 29/10/2020 08:55

Interesting to see AIBU being used for these threads. Sunlight!

CaraDuneRedux · 29/10/2020 09:00

In my experience, those on twitter who keep an eye on us don't like it when a certain issue spills out of its FWR quarantine zone.

MaudTheInvincible · 29/10/2020 09:25

No, I can imagine they don't! They're turning up in all sorts of unexpected places now though, not just aibu it seems - very hard to keep track of, unless you're going to watch every single board.

Langrycleg · 29/10/2020 10:45

Oh I did wonder why an AIBU thread disappeared overnight. Another one is still standing however...

Cocothefirst · 29/10/2020 10:48

There was someone on that thread accusing the poster of hating trans people and erasing their existence. Same old hyperbole.