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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bunburying into Autumn (Bunbury 6)

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DianasLasso · 09/09/2020 13:08

Bit like blackberrying, with added derailment, sealioning and general JAQ-ing off. I'll copy and paste the opening post of the last thread.

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember there are people out there who would like to silence us by fair means or foul.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3944572-Bunburys-guide-to-community-disruptors-part-5?pg=40

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

Go well Witches gin

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BettyFilous · 20/10/2020 16:01

You can see why the TRAs were so keen to muzzle Lisa. Powerful words.

HecatesCats · 20/10/2020 16:13

Thanks terry

Cocothefirst · 20/10/2020 16:43

Brilliant. Thanks for sharing that.

CaraDuneRedux · 20/10/2020 16:58

My goodness that was fast. And interesting. For those of us who saw the post before it went, very revealing as to what certain people's triggers are (though unfortunately it can't be summarised without risking a deletion).

Hmm, I know MN tech have shut down the Scumsnet crawler, but that deletion was so fast I wonder if there's another scraper monitoring this site for mentions of things, and whether LM's name triggers it?

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/10/2020 16:59

sad to see that Tyro has been banned for some excellent posts on that thread.
I was very much enjoying reading it. Come back soon Thanks

ErrolTheDragon · 20/10/2020 17:15

Shit... I'd meant to come back to that to read it properly later.

I don't suppose it was a 'scraper'; I've little doubt this thread is under routine scrutiny.

Cocothefirst · 20/10/2020 17:22

Bloody hell the monitors are very busy today.

They don't like women saying no

GrinitchSpinach · 20/10/2020 17:32

@Cocothefirst

Bloody hell the monitors are very busy today.

They don't like women saying no

Indeed.

Oh well, I will return to an interesting email exchange with a local political candidate regarding the rights of women and girls.

Winesalot · 20/10/2020 17:35

Very busy today. I suspect that women's hour garnered plenty of attention.

HecatesCats · 20/10/2020 17:50

@Winesalot

Very busy today. I suspect that women's hour garnered plenty of attention.
Busy with new lurkers too I'd hope
Winesalot · 20/10/2020 17:52

I certainly hope so HecatesCats. That is why it is important that these threads stay and not get deleted.

terryleather · 20/10/2020 18:25

@CaraDuneRedux

My goodness that was fast. And interesting. For those of us who saw the post before it went, very revealing as to what certain people's triggers are (though unfortunately it can't be summarised without risking a deletion).

Hmm, I know MN tech have shut down the Scumsnet crawler, but that deletion was so fast I wonder if there's another scraper monitoring this site for mentions of things, and whether LM's name triggers it?

I wondered if I'd get a wee smacked hand for posting that, and so it came to pass...pretty much proved LM's point. Never fails.
FloralBunting · 20/10/2020 18:32

Uh-huh. Glad I had wee reread before it went, terry.

And yep, this thread is monitored carefully. Some of the more regular posters who routinely take the antagonist viewpoint sometimes drop in, presumably so we don't forget they can still see us or something.

Well, not everywhere, they can't 😘

FleetsumNLangCleg · 20/10/2020 18:43

Sadly, I missed it Terry. Better chain myself to the chair, too much fomo.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/10/2020 18:47

I wonder if there's any prohibition on the content of PMs?

CaraDuneRedux · 20/10/2020 19:10

No but they can be read by mods... This was one of the issues round Emmagate IIRC.

terryleather · 20/10/2020 19:11

@ErrolTheDragon

I wonder if there's any prohibition on the content of PMs?
I've wondered about this too Errol, I can't imagine there would be...?

Anyway, it's annoying to be deleted but it proves the point.

Every single time, it proves the point.

boatyardblues · 20/10/2020 20:03

@ErrolTheDragon

Shit... I'd meant to come back to that to read it properly later.

I don't suppose it was a 'scraper'; I've little doubt this thread is under routine scrutiny.

You have a PM
Mammatino · 20/10/2020 20:15

Not been on for a week, I got a bit pissed and did some dancing on thread, then got banned from twitter. Anyway sorry. My mum, who took one of the first female directorships in a big corporate And dealt with 450 angry men, once told me this... “if they Aren’t writing that you are a twat in shite on the toilet doors....well you aren’t doing your job properly”. Go get ‘em tigers.

FloralBunting · 20/10/2020 20:20

@Mammatino

Not been on for a week, I got a bit pissed and did some dancing on thread, then got banned from twitter. Anyway sorry. My mum, who took one of the first female directorships in a big corporate And dealt with 450 angry men, once told me this... “if they Aren’t writing that you are a twat in shite on the toilet doors....well you aren’t doing your job properly”. Go get ‘em tigers.
I think I love you. And your mum.
CaraDuneRedux · 20/10/2020 20:24

Seconding that. Your mum sounds awesome.

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/10/2020 20:40

Dammit, I can tell who that deleted post was about and would appreciate knowing if anyone could pm please? i really hope she's ok.

Mammatino · 20/10/2020 21:36

Not being mucky but she also said “if they’ve poked their fingers up their own arseholes and badly spelled, fuck face slag whore, with their own shite”, then give them a bit of leniency, cos you’ve rattled ‘Em”. She also said “I am the big bad dirty shite whore that tells them when they can get their annual leave and they hate me”.... They didn’t have lol then and she wouldn’t have used it...Don’t let me tell you what she did to “shite writer“ who took and kicked a stray cat across the floor....we got the cat at home and she only ever got cooked turkey...He wished he was a cooked turkey.

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/10/2020 21:56

😂 she sounds ace!

ArabellaScott · 20/10/2020 22:16

I am terrified of your mum.

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