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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bunburying into Autumn (Bunbury 6)

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DianasLasso · 09/09/2020 13:08

Bit like blackberrying, with added derailment, sealioning and general JAQ-ing off. I'll copy and paste the opening post of the last thread.

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember there are people out there who would like to silence us by fair means or foul.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3944572-Bunburys-guide-to-community-disruptors-part-5?pg=40

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

Go well Witches gin

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TyroBurningDownTheCloset · 02/10/2020 14:59

I shall take Bunbury's advice and put the kettle on, as an interesting exchange with DickKerr is about to be eclipsed by my intense frustration at people who think their inability to express themselves in plain English is a sign that their position is a complex higher truth rather than simply received wisdom they've absorbed without bothering to work out what it means.

I think Dbro put almonds on top of our last crumble. Worked a treat.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 02/10/2020 16:20

The some", "a bit", and "you know... enough" school of cookery has a venerable tradition. I have seen a mediaeval recipe which includes "add sufficient of onions" (not spelt like that, obvs).

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2020 17:06

For once, I actually think a thread deletion did us all a favour.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 02/10/2020 17:08

I know, but it was amusing me.

Quaagars · 02/10/2020 17:40

For once, I actually think a thread deletion did us all a favour

I think it did too

Singasonga · 02/10/2020 18:04

I must say Tyro, your patience today has been really quite impressive.

TyroBurningDownTheCloset · 02/10/2020 18:13

Thanks Singa - I'll add that to the acknowledgement that I made some thought-provoking points and call the day a win.

ThePankhurstConnection · 02/10/2020 18:55

@Winesalot

I think that it is a topic that they feel they can, in fact, still use the pointy finger of shame!
The Pointy Finger of Shame

I think this should be a new FWS technical term.

WooblyBoobly · 02/10/2020 19:17

I have been out so just noticed it is gone. I'm glad, it was full of willful misunderstandings in order to be able to show faux outrage when I left. Reasoned responses are always useless in those situations. For some it's always easier to scream Transphobe!!

Was there a stated reason for deletion?

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 02/10/2020 19:57

I think the closure notice said it was because real children were named in the thread -- noticed when it was at how many pages, 11? They were named in the header.

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2020 20:05

'Message from MNHQ: We've had some reports about this thread and on reflection, we've decided to take it down. As it's discussing specific young people we feel it crosses the line of what we think is acceptable on the boards.

As stated in our Talk Guidelines, we don't want Mumsnet to be a place that feels inherently hostile to any group, be that trans people, gender-critical feminists, or anyone else.'

WooblyBoobly · 02/10/2020 20:22

Thanks. Not a bad deletion notice actually.

DeaconBoo · 02/10/2020 21:18

One about a university's toilet policy has also gone. Only had a couple of posts last time I looked.

Datun · 02/10/2020 23:03

They don't normally specify gender critical feminists, do they? Interesting development.

DeaconBoo · 02/10/2020 23:10

What about cheeky fuckers, MN's quite hostile to them Grin

ErrolTheDragon · 02/10/2020 23:22

It's in the guidelines:

We do not want Mumsnet to be a place that feels inherently hostile to any group, be that trans people, gender-critical feminists or anyone else (except perhaps trolls). If you can abide by our rules – the spirit and not just the letter – we want you to feel you can be a part of the community.

Datun · 02/10/2020 23:26

@ErrolTheDragon

It's in the guidelines:

We do not want Mumsnet to be a place that feels inherently hostile to any group, be that trans people, gender-critical feminists or anyone else (except perhaps trolls). If you can abide by our rules – the spirit and not just the letter – we want you to feel you can be a part of the community.

Ahhh.

Good to know tho

ErrolTheDragon · 02/10/2020 23:29

It's a good idea to read them from time to time - and the standard ones.Smile

fatblackcatspaw · 03/10/2020 17:35

I made an apple crumble last night with granola topping but cough no cinnamon due to I think the lodger throwing away the packet. Am I going to be banned from Mumsnet?

WooblyBoobly · 03/10/2020 23:04

Apparently men rule the world, and women are stinky. Bless, so playground. Please don't report, it's too good

DickKerrLadies · 03/10/2020 23:12

Ah, he's not even trying. Boring.

JellyFishSquish · 03/10/2020 23:20

Funny though, at the end of a long day.

DickKerrLadies · 03/10/2020 23:21

It's more fun when they actually believe the bollocks they're spouting though.

JellyFishSquish · 03/10/2020 23:26

Not as good as one might have hoped, sadly.

And by good I mean diverting.

DickKerrLadies · 03/10/2020 23:30

I'm almost embarrassed for him.

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