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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK new post on her reasons for writing about gender

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BlackKite · 10/06/2020 17:13

www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

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SpokeTooSoon · 15/06/2020 17:21

Hello, and thank you for getting in touch with us about our recent tweet to JK Rowling. We wanted to respond to everyone who has reached out to us to clarify our position on this issue.

We are longstanding supporters of the rights of women and girls on issues which affect them and believe it is important to keep having conversations around difficult topics such as this. Every person has the right to live their life free from the fear of violence, especially gender-based violence. The Body Shop has been an active campaigner on this issue since 1994.

The Body Shop’s position on menstruation in relation to trans and non-binary people is that we stand with ALL menstruators. People have periods – women, men and non-binary people. And plenty of women don’t. We value learning from everyone’s experience and we believe the conversation needs to go forwards, not backwards.

We disagree with JK Rowling’s view and wanted to demonstrate our support for trans and non-binary people. We understand why addressing the tweet to JK Rowling’s personal account has been interpreted as an attack on her as an individual, and as a domestic abuse survivor. That was absolutely not our intention. We didn’t get the tone right on this one and we do want to engage respectfully and constructively on these important issues.

We believe it is important to keep having conversations around difficult topics such as this, and doing so constructively. We recognise that our engagement with JK Rowling on this occasion wasn’t as constructive as we would like to be. We all need to educate ourselves, be inclusive and stand together so that we can end the shame and stigma around periods for all menstruators and stand up for what is right in our society.

We stand by our position on the rights of trans and non-binary people, and we will learn from this execution to ensure our communication is stronger and more constructive in the future.

We hope this helps you understand our position. We appreciated hearing yours.

Thank you from all of us at The Body Shop,

The Body Shop Team

DickKerrLadies · 15/06/2020 17:24

We hope this helps you understand our position.

Not in the way you hope it does. Would you like a bigger shovel?

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 15/06/2020 17:26

I wonder if this was written by a menstruator or a spunker.

TheSingingKettle49 · 15/06/2020 17:26

I’m not a fucking menstruator, it makes it sound like it’s our primary fucking purpose!

Are Clark’s going to start selling shoes to ‘people who have one or two feet‘? Perhaps M&S will start selling gloves as singles because not everyone has two hands???!

Needmoresleep · 15/06/2020 17:31

Body shop are now owned by a Brazilian cosmetics conglomerate. It may explain their wokeness.

All the same, what do they plan to do about getting it wrong on JKRs Twitter. This was a woman under attack from a corporation.

YourVagesty · 15/06/2020 18:19

Well their tone has moved since the weekend. Another Mumsnetter received an email saying something along the lines of 'We want to move the conversation forwards, not backwards! We hope you understand.' Completely dismissive.

I complained and said it wasn't good enough (spoke to them on live chat). They've clearly rewritten their default response so that it's moved from smug and 'fuck you TERF' to 'we are still right, but we'll mention a few things that clearly matter to these TERFs'.

Bellends.

ComeBy · 15/06/2020 18:57

Are Clark’s going to start selling shoes to ‘people who have one or two feet‘? Perhaps M&S will start selling gloves as singles because not everyone has two hands???!

Er, yes please!

As someone who has had to buy two pairs of school (and other) shoes to make a pair for a child with one congenitally small foot and one typical foot I would very much welcome this!

TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair · 16/06/2020 20:14

I will 100% not be buying anything from the Body Shop. I would reconsider if they made a proper apology.

Beamur · 16/06/2020 20:34

ComeBy
It would make sense to be able to do this wouldn't it!

Beamur · 16/06/2020 20:38

It's a non-apology. Sorry, not sorry.
I used to love Body Shop products about 30 years ago, even worked for them for a while.
Haven't bought anything recently as they're too expensive for what they are. This debacle isn't going to make me rush out and buy stuff.

TehBewilderness · 16/06/2020 23:56

How could you trust a company that refutes biological science to get the chemistry in their products right?

7Days · 17/06/2020 01:27

@TehBewilderness you are completely right.

How can you trust a society that doesn't know basic biology to sort a biological problem like Covid? Climate change is already lapping at our shores. If we tell the ice it's an outdated idea to melt at 1 degree will the problem be solved?

Anti vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, biology deniers.

I don't like where things are headed. Sorry to be a downer.

TheStateofDetroit · 17/06/2020 01:50

I know JK Rowling won't see this, but thought I'd come out of hiding to say how much I appreciate her actions, bravery, words and I'm so very sad she suffered abuse at the hands of men. JK Rowling is my Shero! It's not for nothing. Get the men out of dv shelters and bathrooms!

Oldstyle · 17/06/2020 01:57

Yes I got the same patronising passive-aggressive wokery in response to my email. Truly disgusting people.

Hello Detroit! Lovely to see you. How are the chipmunks?

TheStateofDetroit · 17/06/2020 02:05

Playing with deer and roadrunners, Oldstyle! Hello darling! The body shop are a lost cause, clearly.

Oldstyle · 17/06/2020 02:11

I imagine deer are quieter at least - but maybe less fun?

Hope the Body Shop are a lost cause - they don't deserve to keep going as a business with their anti-woman attitudes. A lot of it about it seems!

TheStateofDetroit · 17/06/2020 02:20

I'm shocked at the extent of the misogyny, Sister.

So glad to see you!

BatShite · 17/06/2020 12:36

I will 100% not be buying anything from the Body Shop. I would reconsider if they made a proper apology.

Same. However, the body shop doesnt seem to have anything for me anyway. Searched woman and women. Nothing at all.

However, search man and men...and theres results.

But of course, the aim of this shite is not to erase women..no..

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