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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK new post on her reasons for writing about gender

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BlackKite · 10/06/2020 17:13

www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

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Doyoumind · 12/06/2020 15:43

Robert Webb also liked a post by Gendered Intelligence so I'm not sure he's that on board.

WeetabixBananaHipsterFFS · 12/06/2020 16:50

Thanks, Robert Smile

(I know you’ve had a tough time lately - take it easy.)

boatyardblues · 12/06/2020 17:53

I had an acknowledgement back from JKR’s official account. It was short & to the point. I’m hoping this means they’re inundated (in a good way) & need to keep it brief to keep up.

boatyardblues · 12/06/2020 17:56

Also 💐 for Prinstress.

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 12/06/2020 18:29

I wrote to the info@jkrowling address and also got a short thank you back.
I posted JK's piece on FB with no comment from me and my cousin posted that she was so disgusted she couldn't read pas t "a man identifying as a woman" which surprised me a bit as she's a lesbian, but she obviously thinks JK is a terrible transphobe TERF.
But, after her 2 of my friends liked it and posted thanks for sharing. I haven't interacted at all with it (don't want to provoke my cousin) but I did message the first liker to explain why. She said she'd had a convo about it all with a male friend and he'd accused her of being a fascist! But he is apparently super woke.

JemimaShore · 12/06/2020 23:19

And the All Time King of Hypocrisy award goes to drumroll Adrian Harrop!

Having likened JK to Jimmy Saville mere days ago, then shat himself because she has shit hot lawyers, and apologised, then saying he was muting JK Rowling on twitter for his mental health - he then sees his own abusive behaviour reflected back to him in the form of the Sun's gutter reporting.

Congrats Adrian Harrop - you are the world's biggest hypocrite.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 12/06/2020 23:28

I do hope someone has pointed out Harrop's hypocrisy to him.

beachdreaming2020 · 12/06/2020 23:49

Usual shite on twitter from Deborah Francis White. Criticising JKR but not the abuse JKR is receiving. How she calls herself any sort of a feminist I do not know.
Incidentally I saw her speak at a corporate event for women (nice little earner) in an industry which has a particularly bad record for gender equality and I was stunned that the majority of her - very well delivered - speech was focused on how we women should be more inclusive. Talk about missing the point. We all got a free copy of her book of which I read one chapter and had to bin it as it was such utter tripe. I’ve never in my life thrown away a book as it strikes me as almost sinful but this really was a load of codswallop.

Dances · 12/06/2020 23:53

Glinner twittee
It's awful but it is true
mobile.twitter.com/Glinner/status/1271563784226824193

Dances · 12/06/2020 23:55

Deborah FW is Aunt Lydia

Lifeinthelastlane · 13/06/2020 00:01

Has Rupert tweeted something then?

7Days · 13/06/2020 00:10

Absolutely Glinner.

Inquisitorial squad personified.

Ritascornershop · 13/06/2020 07:18

What did Glinner say? I don’t have a Twitter account and while I can see other threads I can’t see his lately.

Clymene · 13/06/2020 07:23

He's protected his tweets - screenshot below. Yes Grint has droned TWAW. Knob

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namechange9357 · 13/06/2020 08:11

I have an email from Green Party Women this morning, condemning the Sun and linking to JK Rowling's statement without any comment thereon... this feels like a shift.

RuffleCrow · 13/06/2020 08:15

That is a shift @namchange9357, certainly a chnge from the days when Aimee Challenor would have sent an angry round robin making it all about Aimee Challenor (possibly whilst shitting in a disposable nappy and texting Aimee's proud paedophile boyfriend). I wish I was joking.

TheBobbinIsWoundUp · 13/06/2020 08:19

Well, DH and I at least talked about this without arguing, off the back of JKR’s wonderful article.

But he still thinks that it’s unfair to exclude transgender women in the same way as it was unfair to exclude black women in apartheid South Africa - the ‘more violent as a class’ argument doesn’t work as he thinks is it’s a prejudiced stereotype and (even if it wasn’t) it still wouldn’t be fair (same argument as stop and search being unfair even when data shows more of one ethnicity committing particular crimes).

However, it’s the first time we’ve disagreed respectfully and no one has got cross and shut down debate (it’s the only issue that we argue about like that, everything else we can resolve calmly), and that’s a real win.

YRGAM · 13/06/2020 08:42

It strikes me as very strange that it's primarily men who are going after JKR. I'm a man and among my male friends I'm pretty much alone in my support for her and rejection of unqualified TWAW.

Clymene · 13/06/2020 09:06

You're surprised men are misogynist? Really?

Clymene · 13/06/2020 09:25

Thread by a prison manager on criminals misusing self ID: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1271170904379265025.html

Incidentally, the GRA reform committee did take evidence on prisons which said that men would use self ID in precisely this way. They ignored it which is why so many women are now at risk in prison despite the fact that self ID is not law in the U.K.

Needmoresleep · 13/06/2020 09:25

I may be flamed for this, but suspect in many cases it is not misogyny, but a sense of unease around non gender typical men.

Not homophobes, but the ordinary boring, don't show your emotions, sort of man in a M&S suit on the 8.15, who would view themselves as educated, tolerant and liberal.

They have no particular problems with women, and indeed will recognise that in some circumstances, women can have a better skill set. But equally can be mystified by what they seen as female behaviour.

This bafflement can also extend to flamboyant gay men. It's beyond their comfort zone. So rather than judge, they avoid, but because they are open minded and tolerant they accept that people are different. So if men want to wear dresses, they shrug their shoulders and ignore. They do not get involved. They do not understand why women cannot show similar tolerance.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 13/06/2020 09:29

Men have fuck all to lose. It's the new trendy way to hate us.
Just like transing young girls is the new socially acceptable self harm.

Michaelbaubles · 13/06/2020 09:29

Well, if TWAW, that means they’re not men; and if they’re not men, then they’re not men’s problem, they’re women’s problem. Suits men very well if TWAW.

Clymene · 13/06/2020 09:42

But that is misogyny NeedMoreSleep. Men are uncomfortable because they hold women in such contempt that they find any man wanting to be one horrifying. AGP men are often into sissification. They also hold women in contempt but get aroused at the idea of it

Needmoresleep · 13/06/2020 10:01

My own view, but I find that attaching labels to all and sundry is simplistic. I can think of men who happily work for a woman boss, who happily share childcare, and housework with their female partners, and who happily see that partnership as a union where both have different, equally valued, skills.

They get on fine with other men, talking sport, and politics and whatever. And have no problem with what other people, male or female, do in the privacy of their bedrooms. But they do find male flamboyance disturbing. But know enough to accept people are different and not to judge.

Women instead see men wanting to self ID into their spaces as threats.

I would guess that the same may exist amongst women. Especially the cool girls who appear to be uncomfortable with those who present in a more masculine way.

My impression that many men can relate to the free speech issues. They don’t have a problem but clearly women do. So women should be allowed to express their views. I think that is where people like James Kirkuk and Douglas Murray come from.

I am not defending men. But a bit like women being labelled terms or homophobes, or labelling all white people racists, labelling all men as misogynists is not helpful. People are not perfect, but most strive to be good.