Scottow verdict: Guilty

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I have no words. Reports from Joani Walsh and Maya Forstater at the Trial in St Albans

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The police fucked up the evidence , they and the CPS overreached hugely but the main problem is the law itself.

If you have a law intended to criminalize sending thousands of letters and menacing emails a week but written so loosely and with such a low bar that everyone with Internet access breaks it almost daily, are left in position where is ideological decision who to prosecute or not.

Previous colleague regularly said she needed "get a waggle on" (not wriggle) in emails and wrote that she had "visualised " instead of "seen" into formal client notes. That caused me endless annoyance and anxiety for years.

That section on malicious communications needs scrapping, have been so many cases where used wrongly in my opinion.

Farce.

Bring on the crowdfunder, Kate!

It's one battle lost. The war is far from over!

My head's spinning a bit. Kate's trial wasnt anything to do with hate crime legislation was it? Unlike Harry's and the recent Are you a man or woman? one. So the ruling opens the floodgates for women to invoke this harassment legislation. It's nothing to do with Equalities Act and protected categories.
How could the CPS refuse to prosecute? Is women's right not to be harassed not in the public interest.
I think Kate has a really good case.

Let's not forget. Kate is also being privately sued by hayden too

According to Joani, Kate was also reprimanded by the judge for using 'MandyMcGirlDick' as a Twitter name.

So, another Spartacus moment?......

The just should have had a quick twttier search for "girldick" then

Can anyone with crowdfunder details PM me please.

Kate's trial wasnt anything to do with hate crime legislation was it?

Absolutely right. She was prosecuted under the 2003 Communications Act, which makes it a crime to "persistently make use of a public electronic communications network for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety".

Just think about that for a moment. Think about how many messages a day there are on Twitter that are designed to cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety. Imagine what would happen if the police decided to prosecute them all.

Not the police - I mean the CPS.

Jeez. Right now I’m taking a long deep breath and feeling thankful that I DIDN’T provide my contact details and prove my identity in order to keep my twitter account.
I hope both Maya and Kate’s appeals highlight the absolute mockery that is being made of the legal system by these self-appointed misogynistic twitter vigilantes.

Why does the Daily Mail consistently refer to the claimant as “Ms Hayden”, but the defendant as “Scottow” throughout the article?

Definitely agree, the girl cops it.

Bring on the appeal. Kate Digging here when you need it, this is a serious investment in a sane future for females.

Time too that we started a major public information campaign on what 'kind' means: because it doesn't mean 'doormat' or 'enabler' or 'taking abuse without protest' or 'codependent' or 'support human'. Women have been explaining about this shit for decades, we clearly haven't yet done it loud enough. Kindness is in the gift of the giver, a generosity of spirit. It isn't about shouting "thank you sir, please may I have another!"

Why does the Daily Mail consistently refer to the claimant as “Ms Hayden”, but the defendant as “Scottow” throughout the article

I think they (newspapers) always refer to defendants with surname only when reporting?

Presumably every woman who has been harassed, subject to rape threats, vile language etc on Twitter can now expect her harasser to be found guilty in court.Wouldn't it be good if they all compiled the legal evidence and made a complaint in the same week?

IIRC Caroline Farrow has had far, far worse harassment than even in the worst interpretation of facts in this case and yet CPS haven't prosecuted. She's even had things ordered to her house and comments made on social media which is much more of a direct physical threat to her and her family. Yet no action from police as far as I know. Wonder why.

As with Farrow and the Harry case the only obvious difference is who is male or female. Nuff said.

Yeah Caroline has had shocking abuse

But hey just another woman.

Be kind - what pile of shite advice is that?!

Happy to crowd fund the appeal..

I'm just gutted for Kate - onwards to appeal

I will also donate to any crowdfunded appeal. This judge has clearly never looked a the amount of abuse women get on Twitter on a daily basis!! And I agree the difference in the way this case has been approached versus the lack of any action in favour of Caroline Farrow is very telling
Women know your place

As bad as this is for Kate, surely it's good news for Farrow's case? It surely means that she can't lose?

I think I can speak for Kate when I say THANK YOU
Your support has been amazing.

If 16 tweets over 7 months, 9 in conversation with the claimant, and one expressing an opinion that the poster was racist is enough to turn your world upside down, then we're living in sad times.

I think Kate will be taking some time out with her beautiful children to re energise, and will be back in a few days as she needs it to be honest!

Fuck kind!

Have the police explained if why they are not pursuing Caroline’s complaint.

Looked very dodge to me. Agreed - far more reprehensible than what happened today.

I'm sorry if this is insulting, little DD here so not a lot of time to read a lot. What is happening? Seems a lot of upset? Sorry it this is offensive