Scottow verdict: Guilty

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I have no words. Reports from Joani Walsh and Maya Forstater at the Trial in St Albans

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Why not? The internet is full of people being rude and/or unkind to each other, often a whole lot more aggressively than that.

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But 3 lefts do.

Pig in a wig is my new favourite insult for everyone. Used it for my male dog ten minutes ago. He’s neither a pig, nor wearing a wig, nor a woman, nor transgender.

The simple rhyme is pleasurable to say and it makes me laugh. I won’t be tweeting it though, because I don’t really use twitter.

But 3 lefts do 😀

Why not the internet is full of people being rude
Oh phew, that's OK then

I look forward to your attempts to enforce niceness towards everyone and not just trans people! I mean, I won't hold my breath, but.

Male feelings are much more important than female feelings, Bewilderness, didn't you know? And female rudeness much more problematic than male rudeness.

I'm not implying that she didn't. I'm pointing out that the "e.g." is misplaced in MissChardonnay's comment. "E.g." implies a lot of other insulting phrases or words were directed at Hayden, but out of a total of eight tweets deemed offensive, most were judged to be so because Kate used a male pronoun to refer to Hayden.

Even if you see it as being an insult up for anyone, why, why would you tweet that? To or about anyone?

I said that it wasn't an insult up for anyone but one used almost exclusively for women.

As for the why, given the context within which these Twitter exchanges occurred, I can think of a few choice words that I would use about some people - not to annoy the other person, but to express my anger and relieve my stress and tension. Which is an incredibly well known phenomenon, so much so that we have research showing that swearing measurably reduces pain, stress, blood pressure etc.

It is simply completely inaccurate to claim that every time we use an insult directed at someone we seek to cause annoyance or anxiety. Many times we don't think about how the other person will respond to the insult at all, we just let rip. Without considering the other person's feelings. Mumsnet is full of threads about that.

I'm Scottish. I'm fairly sure asking me not to swear counts as some sort of anti Scot hate crime.

Many times we don't think about how the other person will respond to the insult at all, we just let rip.
Wow, OK.

You didn't say anything about being an insult exclusively for women in your reply Charley at all, your reply to mine said it wasn't exclusively a trans insult.

Even if you see it as being an insult up for anyone, why, why would you tweet that? To or about anyone?

Why would anyone post 'not so long ago people like you had no civil rights" to a POC, or indeed tweet in defence of the nazi gassings? See, those 2 single tweets to me are a million times worse than anything Kate tweeted.

Yet the person who posted about nazis and "people like you" is seen as the victim and is doing the rounds of local BBC radio shows trying to be the victim. I, could dig out at least 30 tweets that person made about Kate in that same time period. Some implying violence, others being completely and utterly disgusting. I could also pull 100s of tweets by the "victim" targeting other women which would fall under the same crime Kate has found herself a victim off.

Please do inform yourself about the subject before making a complete and utter tool of yourself. Ta very much

Wow, OK.

You asked me why, WotchaTalkingBoutWillis. I gave you reasons without judgement. You're old enough to know that, yes, sometimes people just go off on a rant because their anger spills over. Mumsnet is full of threads of posters dealing with the fallout of either having ranted or been ranted at.

You didn't say anything about being an insult exclusively for women in your reply Charley at all, your reply to mine said it wasn't exclusively a trans insult.

I said it was an insult that typically referred to an overweight female and more generally to an unattractive one. You may have misread "typically" as referring solely to "woman" as meaning typically to a woman but sometimes to someone not a woman, when the context is typically to an overweight woman, but sometimes to a woman who is not overweight but otherwise unattractive.

It's a gendered insult that I had never heard used in relation to anyone other than a woman before.

Quick update and breaking news

Kate is going for a full retrial at the crown Court, and will in need of some digging. I'll keep you up to date as I get more

This whole thing is a snow flakey shit show. I keep having to remind myself that SH is an extreme outlier (at least I assume so) and not representative of the average TW.

Great news re the appeal. I’ll dig.

Will the full retrial involve a jury?
I feel hopeful a jury will take a sensible view.

Crown Court, there will be a jury.

Thanks for the update, Amalfi. I’m glad to hear it, but oof how stressful for Kate. Please keep us posted on how to help.

Great news, but how stressful for Kate.

Sorry for the ignorance, but is this a retrial as the original was a mistrial, or is it an appeal to a higher court? Thanks

will all the evidence come out in this trial? ie SH's vile twitter history? If all evidence is heard then I think Kate will be fine

Bring. It. ON.