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BBC2 Politics Live just after 11am this morning

186 replies

Awning10 · 12/02/2020 10:39

.Copied from Twitter:
@selina_todd
will be on Politics Live, BBC2, this morning shortly after 11am, talking about
@Labour_Trans
' demands and the #ExpelMe hashtag.

OP posts:
Arseaboutdarkly · 12/02/2020 17:33

I do worry that if we leave all the political parties they'll all be ran by awful TRA influenced men

I worry about that as well. It's all very well pp stating that they are leaving Labour and never vote for them again but isn't that handing the victory over?

Manderleyagain · 12/02/2020 17:45

Just wanted to say how good Selina was. She should do media training on the side. We'll done that woman!

AbsintheFriends · 12/02/2020 18:07

I can't imagine how Selina stayed so majestically calm

She was majestic, wasn't she?

I think that kind of demeanour becomes easier to maintain as we move away from the 'here we have a transphobe with morally repugnant views and three stunning and brave sadface ladies. You have 20 seconds to defend your indefensible transphobia, transphobe woman!' starting point.

These issues are not going away. Women are not shutting up and handing over their rights. The persistence and determination of incredibly courageous women means conversations are now having to take place, and be conducted more fairly because the public are listening and waking up to what's happening.

We have science and logic behind us, so once the scold's bridle is removed, brilliant academics like Selina Todd can make mincemeat of twerps like the Angry Beardy Man.

Sexnotgender · 12/02/2020 18:14

Yes I thought it was an interesting piece of research charlieparley.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 12/02/2020 18:37

What an odious, self-important twit he is.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 12/02/2020 18:39

What an odious, self-important twit he is.

Michelleoftheresistance · 12/02/2020 18:40

I do worry that if we leave all the political parties they'll all be ran by awful TRA influenced men

Then the ground is completely clear for the sane left to organise and provide a real alternative. Bring on the real alternative, the time is long overdue.

And if those parties are run by people who are sane, with sane policies, in touch with the electorate who are screaming to be heard and not run like a glove puppet by Stonewall's hand up their bum, they'll walk it at the ballot box.

CharlieParley · 12/02/2020 18:44

Hi FreakOutFarOut and thanks for delurking and joining in!

This dude was so outrageous, I totally understand why that gave you that last nudge onto FWR. He was a gift to our side, he really was.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 12/02/2020 18:47

One of my thank you cards is in the post first thing tomorrow! Anyone care to join me?

(The Magnificent!) Professor Selina Todd
University of Oxford
Faculty of History
George Street
Oxford
OX1 2RL

nauticant · 12/02/2020 18:47

The discussion is on youtube but as audio only:

theflushedzebra · 12/02/2020 18:56

Just caught up with it -Selina was so good. Calm, clear - and incredibly dignified.

Labour beard bloke - not so good.

BBC2 Politics Live just after 11am this morning
Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 12/02/2020 19:03

Excellent idea Buzz she was fantastic

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 12/02/2020 19:03

I can’t believe he’s an MP Shock

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 12/02/2020 19:08

Selina was very calm

Hate it when people keep interrupting

ScrimshawTheSecond · 12/02/2020 19:21

Selina was indeed magnificent. Queen!

Wakaranaihito · 12/02/2020 19:22

Beardy is my MP too. Met him a few times. He is incontinent in his views and how he expresses himself. I emailed him after the GE and asked him to calm down and be an adult. Haven't heard back...

Was mortifying watching him today. He would be the Witchfinder General in days of yore.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 12/02/2020 19:25

I emailed him after the GE and asked him to calm down and be an adult. Haven't heard back...

Have you not? Can’t think why

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 12/02/2020 19:27

He reminds me of jeffrey jones from ferris buellers day off

ScrimshawTheSecond · 12/02/2020 19:29

Sympathies, Wakaranaihito. He seems like a real peach. Incoherent, yet righteously seething.

Michelleoftheresistance · 12/02/2020 19:31

He would be the Witchfinder General in days of yore.

Gawd the trials would take months. He'd never be able to shut up long enough for anyone else to speak.

theflushedzebra · 12/02/2020 19:35

The Witchfinder General. Yes - that's him. Spot on.

CigarsofthePharoahs · 12/02/2020 19:53

I wanted to shout - XXY is Kleinfelter syndrome and the people who have it are still men! Men with a difference in sexual development, but still men!
People like Mr Beardy need to stop using other people's genetic differences to push through their dodgy agendas.

2Rebecca · 12/02/2020 20:37

Thank you card sent

Michelleoftheresistance · 12/02/2020 20:45

XXY is Kleinfelter syndrome and the people who have it are still men! Men with a difference in sexual development, but still men!

Two comments on the Twitter feed to Beardy Twit from people with DSDs upset and angry, who were also screaming at the tv. Telling people with Kleinfelter syndrome they're not men.... weaponizing it to justify undisputed biological males forcing their way into women's spaces against women's will. Nasty. Really nasty.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/02/2020 21:13

YY men with klinefelters syndrome are often able to father children with assistance (they produce sperm but in low amounts, so IVF type procedures can help). Hardly sex ambiguity.