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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC2 Politics Live just after 11am this morning

186 replies

Awning10 · 12/02/2020 10:39

.Copied from Twitter:
@selina_todd
will be on Politics Live, BBC2, this morning shortly after 11am, talking about
@Labour_Trans
' demands and the #ExpelMe hashtag.

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littlbrowndog · 12/02/2020 11:46

Trending 🤦‍♀️

Lollygaggles · 12/02/2020 11:47

@GCAcademic

My cat has flounced off the sofa for similar reasons! Gin

Awning10 · 12/02/2020 11:47

He came across very badly. Did he say you should be expelled if you don't believe TWAW?

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Poota · 12/02/2020 11:47

Selina was excellent, and Jo Coburn handled it well and actually gave her time to speak, which she didn't waste at all. She was calm, measured and clear.

Wokebro actually said on national telly that there aren't two sexes and if a woman says she doesn't believe transwomen are women, she should be made to extensively explain herself or face discipline.

I call that a win.

zen1 · 12/02/2020 11:47

He (Lloyd) is carrying on in the same vein. Just been told off by the presenter for talking over the bloke next to him and not letting him finish his point.

TheQueef · 12/02/2020 11:48

I'd better get my coat.
Beardy is spitting feathers.

JessicaLangoustine · 12/02/2020 11:48

Shaun Bailey now telling off beardy for interrupting. He clearly has no idea of what a debate/discussion consists of.

littlbrowndog · 12/02/2020 11:49

Yeah any woman who doesn’t believe that TWAW have to EXTENSIVELY explain themselves.

To who. Him ?

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 12/02/2020 11:49

Oh I wish I could have seen this! What points did the wonderful and measured Selina Todd manage to get in?

I hope there is a clip available later.

AllMumsyWereTheBorrowedClothes · 12/02/2020 11:51

Thank you for the heads up on this programme, Selina Todd was great - calm, rational - brilliant.
That Lloyd fellow is in love with the sound of his own voice. His attitude is dreadful, he's tried, and failed, to shout down both a Woman and now the black conservative guy. White male privilege personified!

Winesalot · 12/02/2020 11:51

Thank you Selina Todd. What a voice of calm compared to Russell-Moyle.

And surely the party learned from the recent antisemitic past that if you ‘limit’ the parameters of discussion you do not end up resolving anything and if feels like it is swept under the carpet.

I also really wanted the presenter to complete her question about self id’ing on a daily basis with saying ‘it already happens!’ But alas, no.

LouHotel · 12/02/2020 11:51

Argh just missed it.

Redshoeblueshoe · 12/02/2020 11:51

I've just had a quick look, Lloyd was the man who was suspended for grabbing the mace in the HOC.
Are there no adults left in the Labour party ?

Doyoumind · 12/02/2020 11:51

Bearded Brighton MP was really vile and telling utter lies whilst Selina remained calm and came across very well. And he went there with the 'sex is not binary because intersex' argument Angry

littlbrowndog · 12/02/2020 11:52

It was like when posie owned harrop

Selina owned the beardie.

Melioration · 12/02/2020 11:52

The eyes. Drilling. Hate.

Made a twat of himself in the next piece too.

Selena was so good. Thank you.

BovaryX · 12/02/2020 11:54

I didn't hear this, but I just want to say, the synopsis on this thread is epic!

ClosdesMouches · 12/02/2020 11:56

Beardy woke bloke also said, off camera and over ST "they are" when ST pointed out that this 'pledge' calls WPUK and LGB Alliance transphobic.

Sexnotgender · 12/02/2020 11:57

Missed it, is it on catchup?

BinkySodPlop · 12/02/2020 11:57

Watching on catch-up. He's not doing very well, is he? Unlike the measured, articulate responses of the women involved.

EwwSprouts · 12/02/2020 11:58

Well that was an eye-opener. Had no clue who beardy man was but he can ID as obnoxious. Selina making solid rational points and he had nothing so losing it.

ClosdesMouches · 12/02/2020 11:59

YY about the eyes Melioration.
How often we see that expression in the eyes of a male when we're saying something that doesn't have their full approval.

EthelMayFergus · 12/02/2020 12:02

I wonder if he watches that back and realises just how badly he comes across. Just really immature.
Selina is a brilliant speaker, I hope she's given more opportunities like this.

EwwSprouts · 12/02/2020 12:02

**!! Beardy bloke is the shadow foreign minister. Oh my.

Rumplestaleskin · 12/02/2020 12:02

Selena was brilliant. She managed to convey the nuts and bolts of the issues surrounding sex and gender which will be immediately accessible to anyone new to the debate.