Yaniv's at it again

[FilthyBiscuit]

www.mrctv.org/blog/transgender-woman-jessica-yaniv-slams-gynecologists-saying-they-dont-treat-male-patients?fbclid=IwAR3t_AGgS8vYKFOSVTboHZroFMlpuzpR6K4L6ZpXhhwDrSOlbgCxZBhL5ys

Morgane Oger was particularly sanctimonious about Yaniv, Oger asked why hadn't anyone mentioned Yaniv's behaviour before. Oger didn't seem to recall that women were being banned from Twitter for being extremely vocal about Yaniv.
I could be wrong here but I think that @MNHQ are ok about correctly sexing Yaniv.

I suppose you are right, he is no strategist. His batshit behaviour, however, could well play in to the hands of the strategists.

Which is worrying.

Yaniv is about to get a significant pay out from a gynaecologist’s insurance company. Yabiv is a strategist all right. Incidentally, Yaniv is also apparently test driving and reviewing cars. Despite severe disability and seizures.

Oger didn't seem to recall that women were being banned from Twitter for being extremely vocal about Yaniv.

Maybe Ogre has TERFblocker and didn’t notice.

Yabiv is a strategist all right.

A strategist for Yaniv. Not transactivism. Yaniv isn't a great advert for it.

Good point Empress,

I'd be surprised if a court are prepared to do the same roundabout again, because it's the same thing. Groundhog day.

Going on the (in the public domain HQ) Judge's summation from the last case, it would have to be established (again) if there were relevant points of interest in how the business was approached, such as in a way that could be said to cause confusion or even perhaps elicit the 'no', including appropriacy and reasonability of behaviour.

It would have to be established (again) whether this was about JY personally being refused a service specifically for female reproductive anatomy and whether JY's anatomy is or should be considered female.

It would have to be established (again) whether some services require specific and specialist training or skills that must be in place: ie a bog standard gynae like a bog standard brazillian waxer has been trained for standard female anatomy and not female penises, and cannot simply transfer the skills as if there's no difference.

It would also have to be established whether JY's complaint is that they personally want to have gynecological care, and the argument is (again) to do with pushing that anyone training in something for female care should be trained for those people to have either female or male anatomy, because implying that something is for biological females only is a problem. (And yes, that one needs to be sorted out in a court.)

Or that the person on the phone said a general 'we don't provide care for trans people' and JY is arguing that this means gynaecologists are unfairly excluding TM which is discriminatory. Which would seem to fall down on that working with TM with hormones and transitional surgery is a specialism that not all bog standard gynaes would or could be expected to be qualified in at this time.

Not to mention the judge's summation mentioning the goal of the cases which appeared not to be to access a needed service that was unfairly blocked to JY, but in the hope of eliciting settlement via a financial pay out. Which was one of the main reasons given as to why JY had costs awarded against them.

Or that the person on the phone said a general 'we don't provide care for trans people' and JY is arguing that this means gynaecologists are unfairly excluding TM which is discriminatory.

I wish JY would stop going on about people discriminating against 'LGBTQ' people. I doubt any of the waxers, or the gynaecologist, have any problem dealing with lesbians or bi women. Admittedly they wouldn't treat gay or bi men but no reasonable man would expect them to.

Gervais post has about 65k likes

I'm relieved about this. I was looking on Twitter earlier and I saw an account retweeting Gervais with a comment about what a terrible transphobe he was. And then lots of outraged replies agreeing, including one post-operative trans woman saying she needed gynaecological care and wasn't it disgusting that Gervais thought it OK to make fun of her. (I can't help wondering if a gynaecologist is really the best person to be taking care of a post-operative trans woman. Still, what do I know.)

And then lots of outraged replies agreeing, including one post-operative trans woman saying she needed gynaecological care and wasn't it disgusting that Gervais thought it OK to make fun of her

One would assume a post-OP trans woman would see a specialist trained in post-operative care specific to post-op trans care, not a gynae. Surely to God there are post-operative care specialists for transwomen. Someone please tell me we are not performing major, life-threatening surgery on young people and no-one is actually trained in how to care for these young people once they're living with, what is essentially, a permanently open wound.

@popehilarious thank you I appreciate you sharing those links.
I've currently got information overload but I will get through it all eventually.
It's certainly been really enlightening and pretty much confirmed some thoughts that I've had for a long time concerning the gender issues but always felt 'wrong' for even thinking them.

I'd be surprised if a court are prepared to do the same roundabout again, because it's the same thing. Groundhog day.”
It won’t go to court. The doctor will have insurance to offer Yaniv an out of court settlement to avoid the publicity.

One would assume a post-OP trans woman would see a specialist trained in post-operative care specific to post-op trans care, not a gynae. Surely to God there are post-operative care specialists for transwomen. Someone please tell me we are not performing major, life-threatening surgery on young people and no-one is actually trained in how to care for these young people once they're living with, what is essentially, a permanently open wound.

Based on what I've read there aren't really. Especially in the US or Thailand where a lot of these surgeries take place. Some surgeons will attempt revisions to correct issues but it seems post operative care is severely lacking in many places and not something a standard gyne could help with.

I'm not sure what happens in the UK within the NHS but certainly in other countries it's profit not patient driven care.

Gynaecology or gynecology (see spelling differences) is the medical practice dealing with the health of the female reproductive systems (vagina, uterus, and ovaries) and the breasts.

How does this apply to open wounds?

obgyn.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/tog.12521

Someone on Twitter helpfully linked this. Yes, apparently supportive care for post-op transwomen is difficult to access and gynaecologists are expected to fill the gap, because confidentiality. Apparently their doctors aren't allowed to know what sex they are.

Transwomen who have undergone GRS have no biological female genital anatomy, yet they may still be referred to a general gynaecology clinic. This is because, under the Gender Recognition Act 2004, when a patient has received a gender recognition certificate, the transperson will have new hospital records in their new name. Patients can also change their name without a gender recognition certificate. There must then be no disclosure in any medical correspondence to the patient's former gender or any treatments that they have undergone, unless patient consent has been obtained.15 In addition, these patients often live long distances from where their gender surgery was performed; therefore, they may opt to visit their GP about their concerns for local onward gynaecology referral. Transwomen who have undergone GRS may present with vaginal discharge, dyspareunia, a ‘short’ vagina, vaginal hair, voiding difficulties or a lack of lubrication.

Transwomen who have undergone GRS may present with vaginal discharge, dyspareunia, a ‘short’ vagina, vaginal hair, voiding difficulties or a lack of lubrication.

There is nothing 'vaginal' about a neo vagina. This is mad. And surely dangerous?

They see it as affirming treatment though dont they?

Seems getting affirmation takes priority over their safety and standard of care and the additional.time women have to wait as a result is irrelevant.

No one wins and they moan about lack.of care but then refuse to help themselves

A "short vagina"? Well...

Reminds me of this:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3605548-Imperial-College-Womb-Transplant-Survey-Redux

Ya if has taken the tweet done according to Ricky gervais.

Below from Ricky

Damn. The sex-pest troll deleted their tweet. My reply looks mental now. Should I delete too or leave it there like some weird, cryptic fossil imprint?

I'm sure someone can provide him with a screenshot!

It’s absolutely bloody shocking that there isn’t proper post operative care. But if it was me, I wouldn’t want it from a gynaecologist- I would want it from a GR specialist.

I don't understand why this is being allowed to happen. People who suffer anorexia have a form of body dysphoria and we don't allow them to starve themselves to death. Why are all of these young people being allowed to undergo all this surgery and medical intervention when it not only carries massive risks to their life and ongoing physical well being but we also don't have the correct care in place to reduce these risks?

I have a massive amount of sympathy for the people who are genuinely dysphoric but I don't think surgery is the answer when it's so unsafe.

And not the one who's being sued multiple times...

It's a catch 22 isnt it. In order to get good care one needs to discuss complications, failure rates, regret rates etc but to discuss that is transphobic so everything's good no one regrets it, they werent really trans if it went wrong or they arent happy and the drs get to keep doing the surgeries.

I would have thought a general surgeon would be the best specialist for post-op problems with a neovagina. Or possibly a gastroenterologist. Because the neovagina is constructed from the inverted penis or parts of the bowel and tends to get the sort of infections linked to those areas, not the ones women get. A neovagina has no similarities to a vagina from a biological/medical POV.

I remember a post a while back from someone who was there when a gynaecologist was asked to come and see someone in A & E who was having problems with their neovagina. They refused and suggested a gastroenterologist, as I recall.