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Imperial College Womb Transplant Survey Redux

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IAmDavidLewis · 06/06/2019 16:39

Unless someone is pulling an elaborate prank, the womb transplant survey isn't a hoax. Judge for yourself at www.surveymonkey.com/r/SPKJKTB and drive.google.com/open?id=1PQuMJAkGc7jex5Kgr9EEvlIqkSmsbBGg

I saw the screenshot of the survey go past on Twitter at the end of last week. Meeting all of the criteria (on a Wednesday), I got in touch via the email address. I wasn't expecting to get a reply, but I did. It seems that Imperial College's vetting process is as robust as the average Labour Constituency Party's. Anyway, the email included a patient information sheet with such delights as:

"... gain a greater understanding of the desire, and therefore need, to perform womb transplantation as part of gender reassignment surgery" - whether a desire should automatically be turned into a need is debatable.

"It also assesses feelings of your current options to acquire motherhood..." - because women's life experiences are just trophies to be collected?

"... a cyclical regime would be given instead, to enable the recipient to experience periods." - well, I suppose spending that 20% difference in pay on tampons would only add to the experience.

"Immunosuppressive medications would need to be taken as long as the graft was in place, to reduce the risk of the body rejecting the transplanted womb. These would continue through pregnancy." - because risking the health of a baby is a-okay when you're feeling fully validated?

"... after the recipient has completed her family, the recipient will be advised to have the womb removed to minimise (cancer) risks." - yes, this is effectively surrogacy without the continued need for an uppity woman.

"You have been invited to participate because you are a male to female (M2F) transgender woman. You therefore have Absolute Uterine Factor Infertility (AUFI), a condition which affects one in 500 women of childbearing age. This may be congenital, such as in M2F transgender women..." - Umm, no. I'm male. Males can't have AUFI because we're... umm... MALE! Oh, and the cute infographic which equates trans women with women who have CAIS and MRKH is really interphobic. That it also puts me on an equal standing with women who've had a hysterectomy due to cancer is just insulting to women.

On similar lines, the included paper "Uterine transplantation in transgender women" incorrectly states that the protected characteristic of "gender reassignment" means that trans women cannot be subject to discrimination. On this falsehood, the authors then proceed to state that should womb transplantation "become an established treatment option for women with AUFI, UK and EU legislation would make it legally impermissible to refuse to perform UTx in transgender women solely because of their gender identity". Note the common trick of slipping seamlessly from the protected characteristic "gender reassignment" to the undefined term "gender identity" with no shame whatsoever.

After wading through all the BS, I did what any self-respecting, activist trans woman would do. I signed the consent form and sent it back, again not expecting a reply. And then I got the link to the SurveyMonkey survey (seriously, what is it with Woke Bros and SurveyMonkey? Could it be the lack of internal scrutiny? Nah, must just be coincidence).

To be continued...

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IAmDavidLewis · 06/06/2019 16:39

Questions 1 to 6 are gathering demographics, such as "Assigned sex at birth" and "Currently assigned sex". Questions 7 to 18 ask about transitioning and existing plans for fathering children.

Question 19 is where the survey starts to gauge opinions. Questions 19 to 21 ask whether the respondent feels that adoption and surrogacy are suitable methods for "M2F transgender women" to have children and whether they are discriminated against more than "natal women" in the processes of adoption and surrogacy.

Questions 22 to 25 move on to Womb Transplantation, asking how much the respondent knows about the procedure, whether they understand the benefits and risks of the procedure and whether they believe the benefits outweigh the risks in "M2F transgender women". Given that the included information recommends harvesting the uterus and vagina from cadavers due to the invasive nature of the surgery, it's quite telling that the survey doesn't ask about feelings towards those trans men who could donate if "they accept the increased risk compared with standard hysterectomy".

Questions 26 to 28 move firmly into validation territory, asking if the respondent believes "that having periods would make me feel like more of a woman", "that having the ability to become pregnant, carry pregnancy and give birth... would make me feel like more of a woman" and "that I would feel more satisfied with my assigned sex after having a womb transplant". I don't know about you, but I feel that using bits of women to make trans women feel very happy has a certain... misogynistic feel to it?

Questions 29 and 30 finally consider the other people who would be involved in the process, namely other trans women. Question 30 asks whether the respondent believes "that if womb transplantation becomes an established treatment for women assigned female at birth who do not have a womb, it should be offered to M2F transgender women once it is proven to be feasible".

Question 31 moves firmly into misogynistic, mens rights territory, asking the respondent if they'd be more inclined to freeze their own sperm "to use to create embryos to be used in my womb". Because, even though "the ovaries would not be transplanted", the better-than-the-average-female trans women who have this procedure would just need their sperm and their womb for the miracle of conception to happen!

Question 32 is a shout-out to all the trans women for whom a "front hole" is just not enough, asking if "a transplanted, functioning vagina ... would most likely improve my sex life". It's clear that men wrote this survey, as yet again they've missed out the clitoris completely.

Question 33 channels Shania Twain (would a "transplanted, functioning vagina" ... "make me feel like more of a woman") while question 34 asks if the same would "improve my quality of life".

Question 35 asks how happy the respondent would be to chuck their affirming, validating, functioning vagina in the hospital incinerator "after you have completed your family, to avoid the long-term risks associated with the medications needed to prevent rejection". If only heart / lung or liver transplant patients had the same luxury of dumping their received organs after finishing a marathon or a night out at Wetherspoons! I'm sure it would do wonders for the donor register.

The final question is just as telling as some of the earlier questions. "If, when you are ready to have children, and your partner was a female and had a functioning womb, would you still want a womb transplant yourself for the purpose of having children?" Well, we all know better-than-the-average-female trans women would get pregnant at the mere whiff of a sperm, so of course an untested, uncertain, possibly unsafe medical transplant procedure and drug regime must be far superior to just relying on a member of the sex who actually evolved to conceive and carry babies. Although, the "not applicable - I am sexually attracted to men" option does suggest that a) there should be a question 37 for gay trans women and b) gay couples won't need to worry about finding out that their surrogate is actually a trans woman enjoying their brand-new, up-cycled uterus.

I haven't sent in my replies yet. Any suggestions?

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drum123 · 06/06/2019 16:49

Could you just answer each one with 'This is BS'? Or more accurately 'This is unscientific, misogynistic BS and a complete waste of Imperial College's resources.'

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 16:50

I'm sure someone had emailed the university about this and they said they knew nothing about it - I am struggling to find the link again though.

OrchidInTheSun · 06/06/2019 16:57

Someone's lying and I don't think it's David Lewis

Imperial College Womb Transplant Survey Redux
titchy · 06/06/2019 17:04

That's just a link to a survey monkey survey though. Doesn't prove it come from ICL at all. Still not convinced they would approve this....

CuriousaboutSamphire · 06/06/2019 17:06

I'm on my phone and can't read that. Is it a categorical no, it isn't us?

OrchidInTheSun · 06/06/2019 17:06

You obviously didn't have a look at the Google Drive docs titchy. The first doc in there is an article published in an obstetrics journal about uterine transplants into transwomen. The author's name and address is: Correspondence: Mr BP Jones, Department of Surgery and Cancer, Imperial College London, Du Cane Road, London W12 0NN, UK.
Email [email protected]

OrchidInTheSun · 06/06/2019 17:08

What he has said in his email to Posie is 'We will never even consider performing womb transplants in men. This is not possible, legal nor do I think there is a demand for it.'

However, Ben clearly believes that TWAW.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:09

Thanks Orchid - I knew I had seen that somewhere! Definitely looks like someone is lying.

Ereshkigal · 06/06/2019 17:09

Posie has spoken. The researcher lied to her:

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2567034640083167&id=100003299679086

Ereshkigal · 06/06/2019 17:10

See the google drive for confirmation that the research is at Imperial.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:12

Our Mr Jones is also co-ordinating the study.

(Which is has been organised by the charity "Womb Transplant UK")

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:14

Posie has spoken. The researcher lied to her

I find it deeply concerning that all of these people working in the medical field are unaware of the biological differences between males and females.

OrchidInTheSun · 06/06/2019 17:15

Not just people working in the medical field. People who have chosen to specialise in gynaecology

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:16

Like this man www.imperial.nhs.uk/consultant-directory/james-richard-smith who is principal investigator for the study

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:18

How the fuck did this get past an ethics committee?

SpinsterOfArts · 06/06/2019 17:20

There's something extremely odd about this. The survey just seems somehow off. Even the title - 'perceptions of' rather than 'perceptions to', surely? And I'd like to think that a real researcher at Imperial would know how to spell the word atheist. The last few questions are also very clumsily worded, content aside.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:21

Posie has pointed out that Dr Jones is from Leeds - what is it with that place?

wombtransplantuk.org/team/dr-benjamin-jones-mbchb-bsc-hons

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:24

The whole thing seems dodgy, the university team and the registered charity are exactly the same people.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 06/06/2019 17:26

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:28

The charity seems a tad poor at filing it's accounts...

apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1138559&SubsidiaryNumber=0

VickyEadie · 06/06/2019 17:29

All other 'sci-fi fantasy' aspect aside, I'm fascinated by this notion of a "transplanted vagina'.

(Goes off to marvel at the shite people are thinking about these days when they could be doing something fucking useful)

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:30

Research costs 895
Website costs 708
Fundraising & entertaining 6,441
Travel & accomodation 2,007
Conference & meeting costs 3,497

Doesn't look like much research going on..

Haworthia · 06/06/2019 17:31

How they can talk about men suffering from congenital Absolute Uterine Factor Infertility (AUFI) with a straight face baffles me.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 06/06/2019 17:32

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